Our guest this week is Paul Mannino of Libertyville, IL, who is CFO at the Archdiocese of Chicago and the father of four, including Sofia (18) who has Down syndrome. Paul talks very openly and authentically about his career, which included overseas assignments, his family and recent divorce.
We’ll hear Paul’s story on this Special Fathers Network Dad to Dad Podcast.
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Paul Mannino: Sophia is truly exceptional in that she has a unique relationship with every person, the song she sings with that person, the things she’ll do with that person, are always very unique. She has an absolutely infectious laugh. She’s always, always happy. And if you’re laughing and smiling with her, the response it has on you internally is immeasurable. You know, it is an absolute grace from God.
Tom Couch: That’s our guest this week, Paul Mannino. Paul is the CFO of the Archdiocese of Chicago and has four children, including Sophia, 18, who has Down Syndrome and autism. We’ll hear Paul and Sophia’s story and more, on this Special Fathers Network Dad to Dad Podcast. Say hello to David Hirsch.
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And now, let’s listen in on this conversation between Paul Mannino and David Hirsch.
David Hirsch: I’m thrilled to be talking today with Paul Mannino of Libertyville, Illinois, who’s the father of four and CFO at the Archdiocese of Chicago. Paul, thank you for taking the time to do a podcast interview for the Special Fathers Network.
Paul Mannino: Thanks, David. Really appreciate being here.
David Hirsch: You and your wife Renee have been married for 25 years and you’re the proud parents of four children: Joseph, 24, Regina, 22, Anthony, 13, and daughter Sophia, 18, who has Down Syndrome and autism. Let’s start with some background. Where did you grow up? Tell me something about your family.
Paul Mannino: Sure, David. I grew up in Detroit, Michigan. I was born there, raised there, and really lived there till I was about 24 years old. My father and mother had three children. My older brother Michael was someone I certainly always looked up to when I was growing up. You know, I almost followed in his footsteps for many, many years through high school.
My younger sister was, you know, like most younger sisters you kind of put up with when you’re growing up, but we have an exceptional relationship now, and she lives in New York City. I try to visit her quite often, and we have a great time doing all the fun things you can do there.
My mom and dad were married in the late sixties and were really great parents. My dad was a very giving, loving father. You know, there’s nothing he probably wouldn’t do for his three children. There was a lot of time and effort put into us as kids, whether it was, you know, Catholic grade schools and Catholic high schools and university or sports, growing up, whether it was baseball, or hockey in particular.
My mother originally grew up in Quebec and was very fond of the sport and had us on ice skates at three years old. So many ice practices, many hockey practices started at 5:00 or 5:30 in the morning when you’re exceptionally young. And my dad cheerfully took us to all of them. And you know, my parents gave up a lot for us to do that.
Just great, great memories of growing up. A lot of vacations in the summer growing up. My father worked for Ford Motor Company and saved up all his business travel for the summer when he could take his family with him and would usually have five weeks of business travel sandwiched together. And we all got to see the United States that way, which, you know, was pretty much unheard of in the 1970s, let alone today
My mother was a wonderful, wonderful woman, very down to earth, very practical, very selfless and giving, and a huge, huge influence for me in my life, and particularly my faith foundation.
She was always there, always loved her kids in the background, I don’t wanna say reserved, but certainly quiet, and she had a solid but gentle manner to her. Never yielding, always had the right principles. So I have the absolute utmost respect for her, and like I said, the foundation for my faith.
David Hirsch: Well, thanks for sharing. One of the thoughts that jumped immediately to mind when you mentioned hockey and being involved at such an early age was: are you a lifelong Red Wings fan, or are you a Blackhawks fan?
Paul Mannino: I’m absolutely a Red Wings fan. One of the highlights of my youth, a couple of them, was being able to skate in the same arena that the Red Wings played in. And this was an old arena in the seventies, which was then called the Olympia. I had the opportunity to meet Gordie Howe, and got him to autograph my hockey stick. These were absolute highlights.
David Hirsch: Great. Thanks for sharing. So I’m wondering, were there any important takeaways from your relationship with your dad—a lesson learned or things that you were trying to emulate the way your dad did them?
Paul Mannino: My father just passed away back in March, on the 9th, and I had the opportunity to celebrate his life. He was 88 years old when he passed. It was not related to Covid. In fact, he was traveling only a few months before he passed away, so it was rather sudden. And, you know, he had beaten a number of health issues before he passed.
But when he did pass, I was able to spend a week with my stepmother Kathy, who’s an absolutely wonderful woman. And we had an opportunity to plan the funeral, and because I’m Catholic, she’s not Catholic, I had the opportunity to really dive in and plan the visitation, the prayer service in the funeral mass, kind of as I thought he would like to.
And I tried to respect him. And during the visitation, I chose a particular reading from Paul, his letter to Timothy, that really reflects running the good race during life. And I chose it because I think that’s what really my dad did. You know, it was doing it not for his own sake, not for his own ego, but really, really to serve everybody: his children, his family, his wife, his mother, his sisters, all of his cousins.
That’s the way he lived. It was never about himself. Everything he had, he offered to those around him and hence when he passed, everybody came, and everybody loved my dad—or CJ or Carl or Uncle Carl or Grandpa Carl as he was known by many. So it was just that outpouring of love for him and that respect for him because of what he did during his life that I do think was very important. It was something I realized later in life, as a father, that it’s truly important for me to do, and something I try to emulate.
David Hirsch: That’s fabulous. Thanks for sharing. What a great testimony to your dad, and I’m so sorry to hear that he passed away recently.
Paul Mannino: Thank you. Thank you very much.
David Hirsch: So I’m wondering about other father figures, and I’m wondering what if any role your grandfathers played, first on your dad’s side and then on your mom’s side.
Paul Mannino: My dad’s father passed away, I believe in the early fifties, so I never had an opportunity to meet him. He did come over from Sicily, from Italy, so he was an immigrant. He came over in 1913, and I’ve seen some of the documentation files. I’ve seen a copy of his draft card for World War I. You know, somebody who’s off the boat, and four years later you’re ready to go and fight for your brand new country.
When my dad passed, I was looking through a lot of paperwork, and I saw my dad’s selective service registration cards during the Korean War. So I think that says something special about these men, that they were willing to go and serve, not for themselves again, but for what they loved, and what they loved represented a foundation for who they loved.
My mother’s father I did know from a distance because I knew him when I was very, very young. They lived also in the Detroit area. Then in the early seventies, very early seventies or late sixties, they retired down in Florida, in Fort Lauderdale area. So we would visit them maybe once a year. So from a distance, got to know him.
He had a very interesting career. He was an iron worker, and I don’t mean he worked in a steel mill. I mean he walked on I-beams, steel I-beams, 30, 40, 50 stories above the ground. Without a safety harness? I really don’t know. That takes a lot of fortitude just to go up there and do it. It was probably late Depression, during World War II, maybe even earlier than that.
David Hirsch: Well, thanks for sharing. It sounds like they both had an influence on your life, even though you never met your dad’s dad. They had strong family values, a work ethic, and a commitment to serve. So thanks for sharing. Anyone else that served as a father figure when you were growing up, in addition to your dad and your grandpas?
Paul Mannino: One more individual that’s probably important to mention is Father Ray Clennon, St. Paul the Apostle pastor. Maybe eight or ten years ago he started a men’s formation ministry at St. Paul the Apostle in Gurnee. His idea was getting 200 men together, men who had faith foundations, who were each on their own faith journeys, but who could relate to each other and support each other and their respective journeys, affirming each other for the good work they tried to do.
He really set a foundation, and he often said, “You should preach the gospel every day, and if necessary, use words.” I think he stole that from St. Francis of Assisi. I don’t know if he really coined that himself, but if he did, I will affirm that. But his vision was one that’s particularly important to me, and all the men he employed in making that vision a reality.
David Hirsch: Well, thanks for sharing. The immediate thought that comes to mind was when I eulogized my grandfather just 20 years ago this week. One of the quotes that I used was from Ralph Waldo Emerson. And I’ll paraphrase it. “Your actions speak so loud, I can’t hear what you’re saying.” And I think what you do speaks volumes, as opposed to just the words. So thanks again for sharing.
Paul Mannino: It is our actions that define us.
David Hirsch: So my recollection was that you went to the university of Michigan as an undergrad and you got your MBA from the University of Notre Dame, Mendoza School of Business. Then your career started in public accounting, initially at Coopers & Lybrand, and then Ernst & Young before you went to work for Abbott in a whole host of capacities. First you worked here in the U.S., then in Singapore and Tokyo, then back to the U.S, to Paris, and back to the U.S. Then you moved over, if I could say it that way, to AbbVie, before you ended up at the archdiocese where you are today.
And I’m wondering, what was it that motivated you or took you around the world with your career, and all at the same time of starting your family, and raising your family, for that matter?
Paul Mannino: So growing up in Detroit in the eighties was quite an interesting time and one that may not exist again, certainly in Detroit, when the imported automobile manufacturers—predominantly the Japanese because they were in the news all the time, but of course, Europeans and other Asian manufacturers—really decimated the American automobile industry, in a primary measure that might be considered the loss of market share during the eighties.
You know, at that time I had gone through undergrad. I had exited the University of Michigan, and I realized I needed a larger perspective on life, rather than just what was between these two oceans here. So that was a very significant event in my professional formation. And one of the reasons why I chose University of Notre Dame was because they had a very established corporate finance program.
It was not a consulting school, it was not a Wall Street school. But equally as important, they had probably one of the oldest, most well-respected and long-standing international business programs. This was not just an opportunity to go overseas and travel, but it was also an opportunity to really understand international business much, much more. It was very intriguing to me.
So at Notre Dame, I did the two year program. I left work for two years, and the third semester there, the beginning of our second year, I spent a semester, about six months, in London. Which was a great, great opportunity, to focus solely on international business. I had four local professors and one who came over from the U.S. with us.
When I left Notre Dame, I did some consulting for about a year and a half. And then, you’re right, I joined Abbott for Abbott/AbbVie for a 25-year career. I started off, it was excellent, great opportunities here in the North Chicago suburbs.
But the opportunity came up in mid ‘95 to go to Singapore, and it really represented a unique—I don’t wanna call it once in lifetime, but very infrequent—prospect to do something that a lot of other people won’t do. It was a chance to really get the full breadth of business experience, to go a mile wide and a foot deep, as opposed to a foot wide and a mile deep.
Something I was always very interested in was having my arms around the entire business. And working in small Southeast Asian countries, I was initially responsible for five and then 12 of them. As a controller ultimately for the Far East, and then as CFO of our joint ventures in Japan, this gave me the opportunity to do that. You get to see every facet of business. I went through a lot of incredible challenges when I was there. In ‘97, ’98, the Asian economic crisis, you know, presented unique legal situations, marketing, sales opportunities, changing distribution, and local business environments.
I think the best part of all of this was really getting to know and develop relationships with all the people that I worked with. Which is really the only impact you ever leave that lasts more than a year or two. Other people come in and change things. But when you talk to people, and you still have a relationship 20 years later, and they still remember your birthday, and you talk fondly of the times when you worked there—you know you had a positive impact.
And I think over the course of all of those overseas assignments, that was really probably the most satisfying aspect of it and why I continued to do it.
David Hirsch: Yeah. That’s fabulous. Thanks again for sharing. It’s rather impressive, and like you said, there’s a difference between going a mile wide and a foot deep versus a foot wide and a mile deep. And most people are very, uh, not geographic restricted, but are more domestic in their thinking, and in their career experiences for that matter.
Paul Mannino: Perhaps being an independent middle child was part of that, I don’t know, but I’ve always had that sense of adventure. Yeah, I had a degree of independence, so that’s what led me to London as part of my MBA and led me overseas. And there were great times living overseas as well, personally. You tend to have opportunities to vacation and visit a lot of places you just would never go otherwise, which is particularly appealing.
David Hirsch: Yeah. Point well made. So you and Renee have been married for 25 years. You had shared with me in a prior conversation that you’ve been separated and are going through the divorce process. To the extent that you’re comfortable with it, I’m just wondering, how would you characterize the situation?
Paul Mannino: It’s almost over, from a timeline characterization standpoint. From a marital standpoint, it’s a divergence of commitment to the marriage. At the end of the day, faith, love, and therefore marriage are all choices, you know, and it’s a path she has chosen. She has chosen a different path, you know, for whatever reason. This is nothing I ever wanted, but unfortunately, I can’t do the marriage just as a single person.
David Hirsch: Well, thanks for sharing. My heart reaches out to the two of you, and your family, right? Because there’s an impact, and everybody’s impact will be a little bit different based on how old they are and what their experience is, and the various relationships.
So let’s switch gears and talk about special needs, first on a personal level and then perhaps beyond. And I’m sort of curious to know before Sophia’s diagnosis, did you or Renee have any experience with the special needs community?
Paul Mannino: No, we never did. I don’t think there’s anybody with special needs, profound special needs, in her family, her sisters, their children, nor in mine. So, no, we never did..
David Hirsch: Okay. And out of curiosity, what is Sophia’s diagnosis and how did it come about?
Paul Mannino: Sophia was born in Tokyo, Japan, when we were on assignment there in 2003. She’s a Valentine’s baby, February 14th baby, which is wonderful. And it epitomizes her. Absolutely. She is nothing but love.
She was born with Down Syndrome, and we quickly understood that the services available to us, certainly in English, were just not really available in Japan. And moving back to the United States was the best thing to do for her. So that summer, in late June, Renee and our then three kids moved back to the U.S., and I joined them about a month and a half later.
We were able to get Sophia great, great resources. But you know, when she’s born, it certainly sets you back on your heels, without a doubt. If you haven’t had any experience, and I didn’t, all kinds of doubts and questions enter your mind.
How do I deal with this? What does this mean? What does it really mean for Sophia? What were her life be like? What kind of future will she have? What will she be able to and not be able to do? And as you just begin to live with her, love her, and she begins to respond to that, you realize that you’ll manage through it. You’ll figure it out.
I came home one day when she was probably two, three months old. We were still living in Tokyo, and I was sitting in our kitchen there in Japan. I had her resting between my two forearms, with her head in my palms. She’s facing me. I had had a pretty lousy week that week, and she gave me a smile.
This is the first time she had ever smiled—and I got that first smile. And everything bad that week absolutely melted away. There was nothing more important in the world than that first smile from her. And at moments like that, you know, it’s going to be okay and you’ll figure it out.
David Hirsch: Well, thanks for sharing. It’s palpable, the story that you were just relating. I’m wondering, what were some of the fears you faced as a father raising a child with Down Syndrome, and then how did the autism diagnosis come about?
Paul Mannino: So the fears are always doubt, self-doubt. You know, are you doing everything you can for her? Will the resources that are available, public or private, always be available for her? Is she getting the most out of it she can?
And then part of that is setting…unfortunately, we all set expectations that might not be situationally appropriate. You know, we might be setting expectations for her that are more appropriate for ourselves, and we always have to kind of check that. So these kind of naturally creep in, and you just manage through them. And as my mother said, you do everything you can, and you leave the rest up to God. And I think we’ve always done that.
The autism diagnosis really came about after years of meeting with a psychologist who traditionally visits, or typically visits, with children with special needs. He would just visit with her and consult us on an annual basis to understand where she is cognitively.
He performed some tests, and over time he suggested that she may have autism. He did a few extra tests to determine her ability to respond, and ultimately made the diagnosis. So yes, she does have autism, and as she reached ages 7, 8, 9, 10, she’s probably more profoundly affected by the autism than she is by the Down Syndrome.
David Hirsch: Okay. Thanks for sharing. Were there some important decisions that you and Renee made along the way that helped you navigate the course?
Paul Mannino: I think the most important decision was to get back to the U.S. after she was born, to begin to get her on the track with the right services. Initially that was early intervention here in the state of Illinois. Then through the school services, local school district, she got all types of therapy speech, fine motor skills, gross motor skills. She was never fully mainstreamed, so she always even got a high level of services in her daily education.
When she was able to go to Warren’s Special Recreation Association—which is sponsored by Warren Township, but funded by the parents—we immediately put her in that and kept her in that five days a week. And she was able to really grow with peers who had disabilities, and volunteer and paid staff who really cared about all those kids. So it’s been an exceptional resource that we put her through, and I think it has really helped her to develop socially and develop her ability to interact with people.
David Hirsch: That’s fabulous. And not to focus on the negative, but what are some of the biggest challenges that you and your family have encountered along the way?
Paul Mannino: I think the biggest challenges have really just been continually learning to understand what her limitations are, and recognizing those, and just making sure that we always take them into account. Which taking them into account has never been a challenge, you know, because she’s part of the family, and we want to include her in everything and always have. So we adjust so she can participate. We’ve never, ever wanted to leave her behind.
There are certain things I would do where I took the lead. There are things, a lot of things, that Renee would do for her, and take the lead. Renee obviously stayed at home and did not work, so she would take the lead on education, advocating for her in that realm, Warren Special Recreation.
When we traveled. She was my travel buddy. She was right there with me. You know, I made sure that I always had her hand wherever we went, and I took care of her on planes, trains and automobiles.
David Hirsch: That’s fabulous. I’m wondering if there was a turning point that you can look back on and say from this point forward, things seem to be a little bit easier, or we’re on more sure footing.
Paul Mannino: It was not a specific point, but perhaps a gradual progression as she continued to get services, continued to expand her abilities. I think—and I’m gonna probably get the age wrong here—maybe first, second, third grade is when she really began to have the ability to interact back with us and respond with us more significantly than perhaps in the first five years. You know, I think her brothers, her sisters started to interact with her more, all of us, anytime she would respond to us and would continue that interaction, which just further helped in her development.
David Hirsch: That’s fabulous. So speaking of her siblings, I’m wondering what impact Sophia’s situation has had on her siblings, and the rest of your family for that matter.
Paul Mannino: Sophia is truly exceptional in that she has a unique relationship with every person. Maybe it’s for a need, for food or clothing or bathing or whatever personal needs. Or maybe it’s just for an interactive need, but she has a unique relationship with each person. The song she sings with that person, the things she’ll do with that person, is always very unique. You know, when it’s time to travel, she grabs my hand. When it’s time for other things, she’ll go to other people.
Everybody she interacts with, recognizes she is absolutely one of a kind. She has an absolutely infectious laugh. She’s always, always happy, smiling, incapable of anything mean or sinful by any means. So I think that permeates throughout all her relationships. And if you’re laughing and smiling with her, the response it has in you internally is immeasurable. You know, it is an absolute grace from God. And I think everybody recognizes that, although it’s different in the way she delivers it for with each person.
David Hirsch: Yeah, well thanks for pointing that out. It is interesting that she has…maybe it’s everybody who has a little bit different relationship, but maybe it’s more profound in her circumstances.
So I’m thinking about supporting organizations. And you mentioned a couple, the school district, the state level services, the Warrenville Special Rec. Were there any other organizations that have played an influential role on Sophia’s behalf or on your family’s behalf?
Paul Mannino: I think those are the most significant because those are where she has spent her time. There are people, individual therapists through early intervention, and the Woodland School District early on, Warren Township High School, Warren Special Recreation, and those people have all had a tremendous impact on her development. They all love her dearly, all speak absolutely fondly of her and miss her immensely.
I think shouting out to those people and affirming the great work these people do—which is truly a calling—cannot be underestimated. You know, these people really help those gifts from God like Sophia to have wonderful, wonderful lives.
David Hirsch: That’s fabulous. I’m wondering what if any role has St. Paul the Apostle played in Sophia’s life?
Paul Mannino: Sophia has always attended when we go to mass. She has not partaken in a lot of the services for children with disabilities, really because of very, very limited cognitive abilities. We’ve thought about it from time to time, but then there have always also been other limitations that have prevented it.
I think Renee and I have always thought, okay, how do we maximize her development, her abilities, and would she be able to get anything out of this? You know, it certainly would mean something to me for her to go through it.
David Hirsch: Well, thanks for sharing. I’m wondering if there’s any advice that you can offer a dad who might be closer to the beginning of his journey raising a child with Down syndrome or autism or both, like you have experienced.
Paul Mannino: Sure. My advice would be to enjoy every minute that you have with your child. You know, I’ve met random strangers who have or who know people who have children with Down syndrome, and they describe children with Down syndrome as angels from God. And I truly believe that Sophia is an angel from God, you know?
So you’re spending time with somebody that has a special gift, a special grace. And you worry a lot about that child. You plan a lot. There’s a lot of logistics. My advice is not to ignore that, but to embrace it, do it to the best of your abilities. But don’t let that crowd out the moments of grace that you have with your child: the laughter, the love, the smiles, the silliness and singing, the opportunity to experience things together that you’ll always remember for the rest of your life.
Will Sophia remember everything I’ve ever done with her? No, she cognitively is not capable of it. But if you do it enough with her, she recognizes those themes and comes to expect them, and comes to you again for more of that, which is so rewarding for both of us. So that would be my advice.
David Hirsch: Yeah. Well thanks for sharing. I know previously you’ve referred to her not only as your travel buddy, but your soulmate.
Paul Mannino: Absolutely.
David Hirsch: So I’m sort of curious to know, why is it that you’ve agreed to be a mentor father as part of the Special Fathers Network?
Paul Mannino: Perhaps because of the last, the last point we just discussed, the advice. You know, there’s a lot of people out there in today’s world who would look at a situation like this with great fear. And I would encourage and counsel them and say, don’t fear it. You know, embrace this as an opportunity.
David Hirsch: Well, we’re thrilled to have you. Thank you so much for being part of the Network. Let’s give a special shout out to our mutual friend Larry Kaufman for helping connect us.
Paul Mannino: Absolutely. You know, Larry’s a wonderful individual, supreme networker, and I really appreciate Larry’s connection and just the opportunity to be here, David, this has been great.
David Hirsch: Is there anything else you’d like to say before we wrap up?
Paul Mannino: You know, as I think about the journey I’m on, there’s a lot that I don’t know as to why I’m on this journey. I don’t have it figured out. My mom always says, though, God wouldn’t give you a challenge that you can’t handle. So, I kind of look at it that way.
And I get out of bed every day knowing that I walk that journey with the Lord. And Sofia, and my family, my friends, the men in my men’s ministry, and the people I encounter life are all part of that journey. I just hope I’m doing it as I’ve been asked to do by God.
David Hirsch: That’s fabulous. If somebody wants to learn more about your experience or to contact you, what’s the best way to do so?
Paul Mannino: I think people can probably find me through social media. LinkedIn might be a good avenue to do that. My contact information should be there.
David Hirsch: Excellent. We’ll make sure to include those in the show notes so it’ll make it as easy as possible for somebody to follow up. Paul, thank you for taking the time and many insights.
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Paul, thanks again.
Paul Mannino: Thanks so much, David. You have a wonderful day.
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