402 – David Apple of San Francisco, CA, Founder & CEO Of Shark Tooth Bio & Father Of Two Including One With CMT1A

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David Apple’s son Ari has Charcot Marie tooth disease

David Apple: You hope it’s nothing, or you hope that at least if it is something, it’s something that has a treatment, or at least it’s something that’s not progressive. And this was all of the above. The silver linings were a certain relief that we finally knew what we were up against, and also relief that it doesn’t affect cognitive skills. Many, other, you know, I thought he had cerebral palsy, based on the symptoms. So that, was the silver lining.

David Hirsch: That’s our guest this week, David Apple of San Francisco, California, a serial entrepreneur and founder of Shark Tooth Biotech, developing treatments for Charcot Marie tooth disease. David’s a father of two children, including Ari, 5, who has Charcot Marie tooth disease. And we’ll hear David’s family story on this special Father’s Network Dad to Dad Podcast.

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David Apple is serial entrepreneur, founder and CEO of Shark Tooth Bio

David Hirsch: I’m, thrilled to be talking today with David Apple of San Francisco, California, a serial entrepreneur, founder and CEO of Shark Tooth Bio, and father of two, including a son with Charcot Marie tooth disease, also known as CMT1A. David, thank you for taking the time to do a podcast interview, the Special Fathers Network.

David Apple: Thanks so much for having me.

David Hirsch: You and your wife Christine, have been married for seven years and the proud parents of two young children, Zoe, 3, and Re, 5, who was diagnosed with Charcot Marie tooth disease, also known as CMT M1A, a rare monogenetic disease that impairs the signal from the brain to the muscles, causing weakness, loss of sensation, pain and atrophy. Let’s start with some background. Where did you grow up? Tell me something about your family.

David Apple: Yeah, I was born in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. And my family and I, so my two younger sisters and my parents and I moved to France when I was just five years old and I lived there till I was 17. So most of my childhood was in France.

David Hirsch: And was that work related that, you moved to France based on your dad’s career?

David Apple: No, it’s much cooler than that. my dad was proudly a hippie with, long hair and everything. And after college he pre Internet, pre cell phones, he traveled around. He lived in the south of France and in Casablanca and in Jerusalem. And he always wanted to live somewhere abroad. And when he met my mom and had me and my sisters, he convinced my mom to move to France. So he moved without a job. Like he moved there before us and interviewed and got a job and then we followed him.

David Hirsch: That’s wild.

David Apple: It is.

David Hirsch: Well, there’s gotta be a couple of those older hippies still out there, and I guess your dad’s one of them. What, what did he do for a career?

David Apple: he’s actually done several different things, but I guess the common thread is that he’s a serial entrepreneur. He was the first competitor in France to France telecom. That’s where his success came from. So telecom business in France before, you know, voiceover IP and all those things.

David Hirsch: Got it. How would you describe your relationship with your dad?

David Apple: we have a very close, great relationship since forever.

David Hirsch: Well, you’re the only son.

David Apple: Yes, I am. Yeah.

David Hirsch: Any other important takeaways from your relationship with your dad? A lesson learned.

David Apple: So many. I prepared a whole list, but if there was one, only one kind of quote or mantra that has served me over and over is something that he got from one of his basketball coaches back in the day, which is put yourself in a position to win. And I found that to be helpful in every aspect of my life. So it’s, you know, you can’t predict the outcome, you can’t guarantee a win, but you want to put yourself in a position where there could be a good outcome. And, I think that served me really well.

David Hirsch: Yeah, I can relate to that. I think it’s like positioning yourself for success. It’s just another way of saying

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David Hirsch: something very similar. And, you’ve got to be prepared, right? You’ve got to put the time in, the reps in you know, however you’re thinking about it. And like you said, you can’t control the outcome, but you can be prepared for the opportunities that might come your way.

You went to John Hopkins University and got a mechanical engineering degree

So my recollection was that, you went from Lycie International D. Saint Germain and Lay to the Walworth, Barber American International School in Israel. before you went to John Hopkins University and got a mechanical engineering degree, worked a little bit, then went to Imperial College London to get your mba. what was the sort of overall arc of your career?

David Apple: Yeah, so as you said, I studied mechanical engineering mainly because I liked math and physics and I didn’t know what else to do and I thought that would be a more practical degree. And I ended up working as a mechanical engineer for a decade. I really enjoyed many aspects of being a mechanical engineer, but some of it became a little bit repetitive. So after my mba, I actually moved to Israel and I looked for jobs as an engineer. But you need to speak Hebrew, which I don’t. I didn’t at then and I still don’t. The big industry in Israel is tech. And so I got the opportunity through a friend to join a tech startup. And that started my 10, year career in tech, where I was kind of right place, right time, twice. Once, in Barcelona, I joined Typeform. Amongst the first 15 employees, that company’s last valuation was a billion dollars. I was there for five years and then I joined Notion, which is kind of a household name in terms of software products. And, their Last valuation was $10 billion. In both cases I ran the sales and customer success organization. So, like the go to market side. Yeah, I had one other experience and then my son was showing signs that something was not quite right and I decided to take a step back.

David Hirsch: Yeah, well, thank you for the 30,000 foot overview. I know more details. I’m not like holding back, but I’m just saying, you know, we could have a whole, I think, podcast interview around your career. It’s pretty impressive for such a young guy.

David Apple: Thanks.

How did you and Christina meet? Was it in Barcelona

David Hirsch: I’m sort of curious now, how did you and Christina meet?

David Apple: we met in something that would be very politically incorrect in America, but thankfully we were living in Barcelona at the time. We, met at her job interview where she was interviewing to join my team at Typeform. I saved the day to my calendar. So every year I get reminded it’s been, you know, 10 years since I interviewed her. But yeah, that’s how we met.

David Hirsch: That’s wild. Thanks for sharing. And you know, she’s had a pretty Significant career herself. Is she still a partner at 776 or is that her past?

David Apple: Yeah, so she’s part time now. So she’s what’s called a board partner. She retained some of her board roles, but the partner role was very demanding. And it’s a whole story that I won’t get in. That’s another story for another podcast. But basically she decided to take a step back to pursue other interests. So she does that part time. She just joined, another organization called Whipsaw Part Time. But to your point, she’s brilliant. I’d like to say I recruit very well, but, yeah, no, she’s the best decision I’ve ever made.

David Hirsch: Well, let’s look at it from her perspective. She took more away from that interview than anybody else that you interviewed.

David Apple: Yes.

Ari was diagnosed with Charcot Marie tooth disease as a baby

David Hirsch: So let’s talk about special needs.

David Apple: First.

David Hirsch: On a personal level, what is Ari’s diagnosis and how did it come about?

David Apple: So Ari was diagnosed, as you said, with Charcot Marie tooth disease, type 1a, since the name of my company, Shark Tooth for Charcot Marie Tooth. And he started missing milestones as a baby. He was our first and it was Covid. So we didn’t have other kids around to be comparing with. And at some point we started realizing, well, he’s not crawling quite normally and it’s a little bit later than what the app told us. He would start crawling and sitting up and he didn’t sit up quite as straight. He doesn’t have that core strength. But we’d go to doctors and they would all say the same thing. it’s a delay, it’s not a disability. You worry too much. You’re first time parents. We were even told that we picked him up too much. That’s why he’s not walking.

David Hirsch: Oh, geez.

David Apple: Yeah. And so we would get worried, we would be googling stuff and then the doctors would say, you worry too much. There’s nothing going on here. If there was something going on, it wouldn’t present this way. And so then we’d go back and be relieved until we go to the playground and compare with other kids. Some parents are making small talk and they say, oh, your kid’s so cute. Like he must be one year old. And it turns out he’s two. Just can’t do the things a two year old would do. He does the things the one year old would do. And so at some point we stopped taking those, you know, don’t worry as an acceptable answer. And that’s when I decided to take a Step back. Part of it is, you know, through my Googling, I heard stories of parents who got a diagnosis a few months too late, like six months too late. And the damage that was done during those six months is irreversible, even with the treatment. And I didn’t want that to happen in my family.

David Hirsch: Yeah, well, good of you to be proactive and

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David Hirsch: advocate, for him and those early intervention years, those zero to three years. Critically important. So the advice I always, share, if you were to err right on one side or the other. Right. Err on engaging, err on, you know, leaning in, because, you know, you’d hate to look back with any regret and say, oh, what were we thinking? Coulda, woulda, shoulda type of thinking.

David Apple: Yeah, my mom’s a nurse, and I would come home and, you know, call them, they live in Europe. And I would say I’m worried and everything. And she told me, your job is not to be the expert. Your job is to be Ari’s advocate. And, I thought that was a really good reframing that helped me, challenge the experts or not. Just take the expert’s word as it was, because I know my son best and I need to advocate for him.

David Hirsch: Yeah, that’s beautiful.

Ari’s diagnosis was based on genetic testing, but it was expensive

So how did the diagnosis come about? Was it, based on genetic testing or was it done before that?

David Apple: Yeah, so that’s also part of the story. That’s quite frustrating thinking back to it, but it was actually our physical therapist who we had to pay for out of pocket, who said, hey, have you gotten a genetic test? And we said no. So I went to the pediatrician. She didn’t recommend it, but we got a referral to the genetic counselor. We met with them, and they said, he doesn’t have anything genetic. He wouldn’t present this way. Things would be getting worse, not better. And therefore there’s no reason to do a genetic test. And if you want to do it, you have to pay out the pocket. And I said, well, I’m just trying to look under every rock, so I’ll pay for it out of pocket. And it, was like $400 or $500 something along that, which is annoying. But we were lucky because CMT1A RE’s disease is fairly common amongst rare disease, and therefore it was part of the micro array that they did. And so the genetic test that they did returned with, yeah, he has CMT1A to their credit. They called us and apologized and said, we misled you and we’re sorry, and he does have genetic disease. Yeah.

David Hirsch: Yikes. well, I imagine that you took a deep dive on all things CMT1A. Were there some fears that you can remember when you first learned about the diagnosis in this disease?

David Apple: Yeah, it’s just devastating. You hope it’s nothing, or you hope that at least if it is something, it’s something that has a treatment, or at least it’s something that’s not progressive. And this was all of the above. The silver linings were a certain relief that we finally knew what we were up against, and also relief that it doesn’t affect cognitive skills. Many, other. I thought he had cerebral palsy based, on the symptoms. So, that was the silver lining. and then the other thing that I’m very grateful for is the day we got the diagnosis, I immediately went into action and found the CMTA where I now sit on the board. I emailed every email address I could find, and, a gentleman named Jonah Berger responded, got on a call the same day and just said, welcome to the community. I know this is a tough day for you guys, but you are now part of this family that is amazing. We all have each other’s back. We’re all in this together. And the things that Ari’s going to learn and that your family is going to learn from being part of this is invaluable. So that was a bright light on a dark day and, it’s proven true also.

David Hirsch: Yeah. Well, you’re very fortunate to have that happen as quickly as it did so that you’re not, like, wandering right in the darkness.

David Apple: Yeah.

David Hirsch: And, I’m sure it wasn’t easy, but to get that type of advice from the very get go puts you on a different path, a different trajectory. I know it’s been a relatively short period of time, but, were there some important decisions that you’ve made that you look back with the benefit of hindsight and say, I’m really glad we did this. In addition to getting the genetic testing that’s transpired.

David Apple: Yeah, I think. I mean, we started physical therapy before we had a diagnosis, which was a good decision. I think the genetic. As you said. Yeah, I think we’ve been as proactive as we thought we could be within the absence of a diagnosis. And then since the diagnosis, we, you know, for any lawyer listening, I’m sorry, but you know, when you go to a lawyer for advice, they kind of. Or my experience is like, well, if you do this, this could be an outcome. Or if you do that, that could be an outcome. It’s like, well, what should I do? And they’re non committal. And that’s the experience we had, for example, with orthotics. So you can have an orthotic that really locks the foot in and it gives him more balance, but it prevents him from developing the muscles in his feet. Or you have something that is less, less robust, just positions his foot a little bit differently so he’s less balanced, but it helps develop more muscles. So some experts will say one thing, some experts will say the other. And we ended up going with the lighter version because I’m convinced that we’ll get a treatment for him and I want him to be able to develop that strength rather than lose it. But, but that’s the type of decision that we’re left on our own to make.

David Hirsch: Yeah, well, it is a personal decision. Right. like you said, you’re going to get conflicting advice.

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David Hirsch: I mean, it’s not just because of the disability. I mean, we get conflicting advice in the typical community. Right. You just have to take the information you have, weigh the pros and the cons. Think not just short term, but longer term. What are some of the implications? And then just follow your heart. You’re the best advocate for your son or daughter for those that have daughters, and, just live with it. Just be good with it. Thank you for shining a light on that.

David Apple: There’s a quote I want to share. I recently attended a talk by the founder of Waymo, and it’s kind of a long story. I won’t go into the whole thing, but, his conclusion of it after people came to him and said, we should do self driving cars. And his response consistently for years was, no, that is impossible. And obviously he was wrong. And he said, experts are experts of the past, they’re not experts of the future. I found that it’s really important to not just take an expert’s opinion, unchecked, especially if it goes against my own intuition.

David Hirsch: Yeah. Well, I love it. Thank you for sharing. I’ll have to use that. it reminds me of that iconic comment that, Steve Jobs made at his Stanford commencement, address, which is, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect the dots looking backwards.

David Apple: Right.

David Hirsch: Nobody knows what the future has to hold. Yeah, that’s a great one.

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What impact have challenges associated with CMT M1A had on your marriage

David Hirsch: So, what impact have these, challenges associated with CMT M1A had on your marriage or your extended family for that matter?

David Apple: It’s hard to know, right, because we have two kids, one’s five, one’s three, so we’re just seeing light at the end of the tunnel. But there are some things that are inherently harder. Like there’s, more logistics we need to take. We choose to take him to physical therapy several times a week. Everything we do, there’s like an extra consideration for accessibility and stuff like that. You know, unfortunately with Christina, we have a strong foundation to our marriage and we’ve been seeing therapists from the early days. So that’s really helped us navigate. That doesn’t mean we don’t have like, sparks, but hopefully we’ve learned to better navigate those. You know, the challenge is less about specifically special needs and more about, we don’t have enough time for ourselves, let alone for each other with everything going on with the kids. So I, I think that’s the biggest challenge.

David Hirsch: Yeah. Well, as long as you recognize that the importance of respite individually and then as a couple, hopefully that is something that you make a priority. Not the only or first priority. But, you know, it’s that old, oxygen mask, analogy.

David Apple: Right.

David Hirsch: If you’re not taking care of yourself, you’re not going to be very much used to anybody else.

David Apple: Yeah.

David Hirsch: Anyway, you’re on a good path, I would say.

David Apple: Thanks.

David Hirsch: Stay the course.

David Apple: Thanks. I do think that the biggest challenge on the disability side is just that simply, even people who try can’t relate unless they’re also a, mom or dad of a kid with special needs. And I think that’s been hard both with family and with friends. Whether we’re planning trips together or whatever. Just people’s inability to understand what we’re going through. And maybe it’s partially on us. We’re not doing a good enough job of explaining it. And it’s not for lack of trying or lack of care, but it still feels kind of lonely from that perspective.

David Hirsch: You know, anything you do to bridge that gap and not like wearing the disability on your sleeve or always us, but, just being more matter of fact about it and, you know, why would anybody know anything about this, really?

David Apple: Yeah.

David Hirsch: Unless They’ve had an experience. Right. Or unless it has something to do with their professional career. So, I think you make a good point.

David Apple: Yeah.

You’re on the association board for this Shark Hop Marie Tooth Association

David Hirsch: So, let’s talk about, two things beyond your own personal experience. You’re on the, association board for this Shark Hop Marie Tooth Association. What’s your role there? What, what have you learned?

David Apple: Yeah, I’ve been on the board for about two years now and it’s, it’s an honor to be, you know, as a board member. What you’re supposed to do is steer the direction of your nonprofit, the CMTA organization. And I’m very proud of a lot of things that we do at the cmta, be it, you know, investing in research camp, for kids, education, creating

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David Apple: a community of clinicians that, you know, develop an expertise in cmt. There’s a lot of great things that we do. And I guess what I’ve learned from it, I’ve learned a few things. One is it’s unlikely that a treatment will come from a non profit. It needs to come from a for profit. that’s something that I observed and I’ve heard kind of over and over. There are of course, exceptions to that, but by and large, that’s where treatments come from. So that’s part of what gave me the conviction to start Shark Tooth to develop a treatment.

Shark Tooth is developing treatments for CMT1A and unlocking other neuropathies

David Hirsch: Well, thanks for sharing. So let’s use that as a segue. Founded In September of 2024, the mission is developing treatments for CMT1A and unlocking solutions for the other neuropathies. Where did the name shark tooth bile come from again?

David Apple: From shark Omari Tooth, the name of the disease. It’s a little inside joke when someone gets a diagnosis like do I have some sort of tooth disease or what do sharks have to do with this? So, yeah, shark tooth is, yeah, that’s where it comes from.

David Hirsch: It’s kind of a catchy feel to it or a vibe. So without diving into the weeds, what does shark tooth bio do?

David Apple: Yeah, well, we were trying to develop treatments for CMT1A primarily. But a lot of the modalities, the different technologies that we’re using to develop the treatment, the idea is that they’ll be able to apply to other diseases, other types of CMT and even other diseases altogether. I think what’s a little unique about Shark Tooth compared to a lot of biotechs is that we’re not obsessed with the solution, we’re obsessed with the problem. And my approach is rather than starting with the solution, we’re starting with the problem and saying well this disease has these different, this chain of events in the body so we can target the disease at various steps and with various different technologies. That’s our approach.

David Hirsch: So what’s your vision say over the next three or five years? What do you hope occurs as a result of these efforts?

David Apple: That’s very clear in my mind. It’s treatment for pediatric patients by 2030 is my stated goal.

David Hirsch: And is it difficult to raise the resources necessary to pursue this research?

David Apple: Yes. Yeah. Because for a number of reasons. One, it’s a tough time for any biotech right now, just the macro situation. And two, I don’t have a bio background. Even though this is my third time being a founder, that credibility I have in the software world doesn’t translate to the bio world. So I haven’t been able to attract any institutional investors. So VCs and rather all the investments I’ve received have been from individuals who wanted to support my mission, which I’m very grateful for. I’ve raised a little bit over $650,000 and what I’m hoping is that I’ll hit an inflection point within the next year or so where I get positive data which I can then raise money off of.

David Hirsch: So we’re going to have to do a follow up interview. That’s what I decided to with pleasure, a couple of three years down the road and see where this shark tooth has gone. And hopefully you still have a full mouth of teeth as opposed to having your teeth knocked out.

You say treating obstacles as opportunities is what makes life interesting and exciting

Anyway, so I’m thinking about advice now and I’m wondering, beyond the scope of what we’ve already discussed if there’s any advice that you can share with young parents, you know, even younger than yourself now who are closer to the beginning of that journey.

David Apple: I want to share this message and I also don’t want to sound insensitive because there’s a potential for that. But the message for me is yes, this is challenging and that’s what’s exciting about life. Like that’s where you have your personal growth opportunities. You know every movie has the character have to overcome a big challenge and that’s what makes the story interesting and exciting. And so you know I wish the circumstances were different and I wish I had another obstacle I was climbing, you know, like environmental something or other. And maybe that’ll be what I do, you know, after shark tooth. But the silver lining is I found a purpose, I found a community that I feel very close to. I know that after I solve this for Ari and all the people that live with CMT1A, I want to help other rare disease families because I know how lonely it feels and how desperate you feel when you get a diagnosis for something that doesn’t have any treatment. I should have prepared the perfect phrasing for it, but that’s the message, is treat these obstacles as opportunities, also as opportunities to grow and. Yeah.

David Hirsch: Yeah. Well, life does take place when you’re outside your comfort zone. And obviously, the experience that you and Christina had has put you way outside your comfort zone. And that’s where life takes place. No question about it. And, you know, I heard you also say that you’ve found your purpose. Right. This isn’t just about building a company or making money or the typical reasons that motivate people to do something.

David Apple: Yeah.

David Hirsch: You’re looking to transform and change

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David Hirsch: people’s lives, which we need more people thinking and doing things along those lines.

David Apple: Yeah, I agree. I actually. So I have this whole philosophy that I’ve been developing over the past, like, only a few months, but the observation that science tells us what can be, but it doesn’t tell us what ought to be, and what ends up determining what gets built or gets done or gets funded is capitalism. And the optimization of profits, which has served me well, and it’s served a lot of industries well, and it served America well, but it inherently doesn’t capture everything that matters. And there’s a lot of things that are left to the side, not because they’re not commercially viable, but because they don’t maximize profits. And that space is where I want to kind of live the rest of my career, is finding the things that I think ought to exist, ideally, that are commercially viable, because I don’t want to do a nonprofit. And Rare Disease is a great example, but it applies to every industry, I think.

David Hirsch: Yeah. Well, ear. Lips to God’s ears. Let’s, see how things transpire.

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Is there anything else you’d like to say before we wrap up?

David Apple: Nothing specific. Just. I’m grateful that you invited me onto your podcast.

David Hirsch: Well, great to have you. Let’s give a special shout out to our, mutual friend, Tom Sander, who was also featured, in the Special Fathers Network, podcast. I think it was episode number 390 for helping connect us.

David Apple: Yeah, thanks, Tom.

David Hirsch: If somebody wants to, learn more about Shark, tooth, or to contact you, what’s the best way to do so?

David Apple: You, can check out my website, which is Sharktooth Bio, and you can also reach out to me by email. It’s applehartooth bio.

David Hirsch: I’ll be sure to include that information in the show notes. It’ll make it as easy as possible for somebody to follow up. David, thank you for taking the time and many insights. As a reminder, David is just one of the dads who’s part of this process. Special Fathers Network a mentoring program for fathers raising a child with special needs. If you’d like to be a mentor father or are seeking advice from a mentor father with a similar situation to your own, Please go to 21st centurydads.org thank you for listening to the latest episode of the Special Fathers Network Data dad Podcast. I hope you enjoyed the conversation as much as I did. As you probably know, the 21st Century Dads foundation is a 501c3 not for profit organization, which means we need your help to keep our content free to all concerned. Would you please consider making a taxactible contribution? I would really appreciate your support, David. Thanks again.

David Apple: Thank you. Dad to the dead. You’re not on your own. We walk this road together, hard and whole.

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