423 – Matt Might of Birmingham, AL Director Of Precision Medicine at UAB, Author, Father of Three, One With NGLY1 Deficiency

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Matt Might helped diagnose his son Bertrand who suffered from rare disease

Matt Might: I just kept focusing on tomorrow, like today and tomorrow. What can I do today and what can I do tomorrow? And don’t think too much about the long term. I think if you start to think about the long term and all the things that could happen, it becomes overwhelming. And so the advice I would give is make sure you’re taking the time to just really connect.

David Hirsch: That’s our guest this week, Matt Might. Matt is a computer scientist who worked to find a way to diagnose his son Bertrand, who suffered from an extremely rare condition known as NGLY1 deficiency. Sadly, Bertrand passed away in 2020 at age 13. But Matt continues working to help other families deal with the repercussions of these extremely rare diseases. And we’ll hear all about Matt and his work on this special Father’s Network Dad to Dad Podcast.

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Matt Might is a researcher and father of three with rare genetic disorder

David Hirsch: I’m thrilled to be talking today with Matt Might of Birmingham, Alabama, who is the director of the Hugh Call Precision Medicine Institute at the University of Alabama, Birmingham. A researcher, author and perhaps most only father of three, including a son with NGLY1 deficiency. Matt, thank you for taking the time to do a podcast interview for the Special Fathers Network.

Matt Might: Oh, it’s really a pleasure.

David Hirsch: You and your ex wife Christina are the proud parents of three children, Winston, 11, Victoria, 14, and Bertrand, who was born in 2007 and very sadly passed away in 2020 at age 12. Bertrand was born with an ultra rare genetic disorder known as NGLY 1 deficiency, which prohibits the creation of the Enzy glycosine 1. At the time of the diagnosis, NGLY 1 deficiency was so rare, Bertrand was considered the N of 1, the only person known to have that particular condition at the time. Let’s start with some background. Where did you grow up? Tell me something about your family.

Matt Might: Sure. I was born in Washington, D.C. and grew up in a very small town just outside D.C. called Great Falls, Virginia. But spent a lot of the time later, summers in Annapolis, Maryland, learning to do things like sailing. Have two younger brothers. We were very close growing up. You know, Great Falls was kind of wooded, so we, we played a lot, as kids should, with each other growing up. We were kind of our best friends, if, if you will. And, I think that remains true to this day.

David Hirsch: That’s awesome. So, out of curiosity, what did or does your dad do for a living?

Matt Might: So he’s retired now, and my father spent his life working for originally, the Washington Post Company. that’s why we were in D.C. at the time. Turns out the Washington Post had a cable subsidiary. It was called Post Newsweek Cable. When he took it over, he, renamed it to Cable One. He grew it, expanded it, and ended up taking it public, ran it as a public company briefly, and then retired a few years after that. So he’s been retired for probably four or five years now.

David Hirsch: Excellent. So, how would you describe your relationship with your dad?

Matt Might: So, I’ve got a wonderful relationship with my dad. He is, he feels like a comic book hero to me. One thing that strikes me is he’s smart, but he’s also incredibly ethical. He was always reminding us to do the right thing and to understand how to figure out what the right thing is. And I really admired that. And I think maybe that comes a bit from his father. So, you know, my grandfather was in the Air force, flew a B17 in World War II, was career force through Vietnam. Very distinguished. And then I think that Marshall character projected down through the generations to being my brothers. And I think

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Matt Might: that there is, a sense of my family that knowledge is important, education is important, and doing the right thing is important. And I really, to this day, I feel that very strongly from him. And that’s just part of our family values.

David Hirsch: Yeah, well, thanks for sharing. It sounds like he’s a bigger than life figure in so many different ways. And you’re very blessed to have him in your life even today. You know, the work ethic, you didn’t use that word, but, that seems to come through loud and clear. And maybe that military training that he had, helped, you know, the, with the discipline, the mental, physical discipline that comes along with, you know, trying to push yourself.

Matt Might: Yeah. There’s no question that a strong work ethic is a core family value. Yeah.

David Hirsch: Well, thanks for sharing.

So my recollection was you took three degrees from Georgia Tech

So my recollection was you took three degrees from Georgia Tech, BS and Ms. M and a Ph.D. in computer science.

Matt Might: Yeah, I really did spend a lot of time at Georgia Tech. it didn’t leave until they kicked me out with the last degree. Yeah. And then, actually for a brief year, one year period, did startup companies, with my now ex wife Christina, at the same time that Bertrand was born. And, that was actually on the end of being on the way to my first professorship at the University of Utah. So I got a tenure track professorship in computer science at the University of Utah. but I like to build things. I like to do things that impact. So I pivoted during my tenure track program into applying all this foundational theory over to cybersecurity. So a lot of my work ended up being funded by the Department of Defense through an entity called darpa, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which created things like the Internet and stealth bombers and stuff like that. And they call it sometimes the Mad Scientist Research Agency because they take crazy ideas and they make it work. And I loved it. I really loved doing that research. And I was good enough to get tenure, so I ended up getting tenure at Utah. And at the same time, my life just went in a completely different direction. So I did the last thing I ever thought I would do. I quit after tenure, which I thought, well, I’ll get tenure. And then I could finally relax. And that was apparently not what the universe had in store. So in the midst of all that, I ended up getting engaged with, President Obama and the White House, ended up working there, ended up taking first a visiting position at Harvard Medical School in Biomedical informatics, which is now a senior lectureship. And my life just went through this, as one of my mentors called it, a full left turn. It was going 100 miles in one direction. And just now we’re going to go a completely different direction into medicine. That’s really what happened. I was fortunate to be able to do some startups along the way, sit on some scientific advisory boards, which I do to this Day. But now I do precision medicine. I am the director of the Hugh Call Precision Medicine Institute at uab. And my life’s work has become what I call doing science in the service of patients. So I’m very much still a scientist and a lot of what I do is computational. But the mission is very clear. It’s how do we help patients through science.

David Hirsch: Yeah. Quite impressive. thanks for the brief flyby.

Matt Might: Sure.

Are you okay talking about the impact of rare disease on your marriage

David Hirsch: My recollection was that, you and Christina met, when, you were quite young. I was wondering how many years were you actually married?

Matt Might: I think we were married for, I’d say about 15 years. Would it have been around that, that point? and we did be quite young. We did, we were, I think we were just barely 21 when we got married or something like that. It was, it was pretty young. So, yeah, I met her. I think I was a grad student. So we, we technically started Georgia Tech at the same time, but by the time we met, I was already a grad student.

David Hirsch: Yeah, well, my understanding was that you, finished up school there, she got her mba, and then you started your lives together.

Matt Might: That’s right, yeah.

David Hirsch: And are you okay talking about the impact of rare disease on your marriage?

Matt Might: Yeah, I think it’s important too. We don’t like. I think the rare disease community doesn’t like to address this topic, but I think it’s important that we do talk about it. Look, it is not easy to have a child with special needs, whether you’re single, whether you’re married. It’s hard. It’s a lot of doctor’s appointments and manual labor. And, it’s not any way to say that I begrudge any of that. I mean, I’ve often told folks that I would give anything to change one more diaper for Bertrand. I really would. But it does, over time, take an incredible toll on a marriage to just, in some cases, keep a child alive. it’s an extraordinary amount of work. And truth is, Christina should get a lot of credit because for many years she really bore the brunt of that. It just sort of naturally fell to her.

David Hirsch: Yeah. Well, thanks for being so open and transparent. It’s hard to imagine, unless you’ve been in that situation, the impact that it’s going to have knowing, sort of statistically, and you’re very statistical oriented with the type of, training work that you’ve done, that, 50% of marriages end in divorce. And, you know, how could the statistics not be worse for families that have a child with a Disability. Right. The extra

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David Hirsch: time, the energy, the financial resources just puts, pressure on a relationship. So, again, thank you for being so open about that.

Matt Might: Yeah. Actually on that point, I think this is maybe a year into Bertrand’s life. Christina was the one who looked up the statistics and said, I think, you know, there’s over, like, an 80% divorce rate for special needs parents or something like that. I never verified it, but offhand it seems like it might be true.

David Hirsch: Yeah, well, I don’t know what the statistic is. I don’t even know if it’s important. We just know that it’s. It’s more challenging. Right. And it just takes a higher, level of intentionality. Right. To make that relationship, a priority. Right. Or, you know, it’s going to be vulnerable. Right. That’s just stating the facts.

Matt Might: Yeah. And I’ve talked to other parents in this situation, and, you know, I’ve had a father say to me, he’s like, if I lose our child, I don’t know what’s left of our marriage. Everything’s become about our child at this point. and I think that happens more than we like to admit, just because of the energy and time it takes.

David Hirsch: Absolutely.

Bertrand’s diagnosis was NGLY, uh, 1 deficiency

Let’s talk about special needs. On a personal level, what was Bertrand’s diagnosis and how did it come about in the end?

Matt Might: Bertrand’s diagnosis was NGLY, 1 deficiency, sometimes also called NGLY 1 deficiency. It took about four years to finally get it officially. It was clear early on something was wrong. It was also pretty clear it was probably genetic. We found a clinical trial at Duke University that was going to be doing a pilot study of what was called EXOME sequencing. It was that team at Duke University, folks like Kelly Schoch, Benon Ashashi, and David Goldstein, Anna Nead, who delved into the data at a time when this was a very novel thing to do. And they came up with this hypothesis. They said, well, this gene, NGLY1, is wiped out. It’s clearly not there anymore. It doesn’t have this gene, functionally speaking. And that was like a red alert for them to saying, this is probably it. They did a little bit of functional homework to, say, boost their confidence. And that’s when they came back to us and said, we can’t tell you for sure this is it, but we think this is. It’s about as certain as we’re going to get that this is the cause of the, the disorder.

David Hirsch: Did I remember correctly that they kept questioning if you’re related to one another?

Matt Might: Yeah. Oh, Gosh. Well, I think this happens to every, you know, parent. On a rare odyssey like this, you. You’ll get these. These uncomfortable questions like, are you. Are you related? Yeah. I mean, it’s. They have to ask it. They have to.

Bertrand had a number of medical conditions that affected his development

David Hirsch: So I’m wondering if you could put yourself back in that 0 to 4, 0 to 5 year period of, Bertrand’s life. What were some of the fears that the two of you had?

Matt Might: The fear was he was gonna die. I mean, they just kept telling us, they being this ever enlarging medical team, that with the constellations of symptoms that he had, that he might not even see his third birthday, they were deeply concerned that between his heart, his liver and endocrine system, everything else, like, nothing was looking good, and everything kept looking worse. He had seizures, he had a movement disorder, severe m. Developmental delay, and then an inability to cry tears on top of all this. So, like, day to day, like, his eyes were one of the biggest problems we had to deal with. We had to do these around the clock lubrication routines for his eyes to keep moisture in them so that otherwise his eyelids would abrade his corneas. his eyes could get infected. I think at one point we’d have a surgeon drain the pus from his cornea. I mean, it was just nightmarish day to day. And actually we were getting pretty close to a tarsa raffi at one point, too, where we were going to have to, in some sense, sew his eyes almost closed to try to preserve his vision.

David Hirsch: Yikes.

Every parent approaches this phase in a different way

Well, thanks for sharing, any meaningful advice you got early on that might have helped put everything in perspective or made this a little bit more palatable.

Matt Might: Yeah, I think everybody approaches this phase in a different way. And for me, I just kept focusing on tomorrow, like today and tomorrow, like, what. What can I do today and what can I do m tomorrow? And don’t think too much about the long term. I think if you start to think about the long term and all the things that could happen, it becomes overwhelming and sad. And it also sort of robs you of your ability to connect in the moment. And when you have a specialist child, you don’t know how long you’re going to have with them. And so, you know, this moment is all you get. It’s the only thing that’s guaranteed anyway. And so the advice I would give is, you know, make sure you’re taking the time to just really connect while you have this, you know, special child in your life. And hopefully it’s, you know, for as long as possible, or, you know, they go on to somehow live a rich and full life. But statistically speaking, that just doesn’t happen for most of them.

Being present in the moment, not dwelling on the past,

David Hirsch: Yeah, well, thanks for sharing. You didn’t use the word, the importance of being present, but that’s what I heard. Right. Is being present in the moment, not dwelling

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David Hirsch: on the past, and then not getting too caught up with all the iterations that might transpire, in the future. Right. And getting weighed down or distracted by that. But, you know, like you said, it’s almost biblical. It’s just today and maybe looking the day ahead. Right. You know, to anticipate what’s just around the corner.

Matt Might: Yeah, it’s being present is definitely it. And just focusing on what your next steps are. What next step can I take?

David Hirsch: Yeah, well stated.

I’m curious about what impact these challenges had on Bertrand siblings

I’m sort of curious to know what impact these challenges had on Bertrand siblings, or maybe even your extended family, for that matter.

Matt Might: Yeah, I think, you know, it impacts really the whole village. My mother became very involved. My parents ended up moving to Utah so that they could be more present to act, you know, functionally, like a second, ah, you know, set of caretakers for Bertrand, which was quite desperately needed, actually. it just takes a lot of time and energy to properly care for Bertrand. And I’m grateful that my parents were willing and able to do that. Not every special needs family gets that. And again, I recognize that, and that’s a permanent source of gratitude for me. They were able to step in and help at times financially, which, again, as a young, early professor, was extraordinary. So I’m very grateful for the time, the energy, the resources that they provided. I think Bertrand siblings Winston and Victoria have a very different perspective on life as a result of having Bertrand, as their sibling. Victoria more so because, you know, she was, you know, much more aware. I mean, Winston was relatively young when. When Bertrand passed away, Victoria, she fully absorbed what it was like to have him as a sibling. And I think it makes her a much kinder, more compassionate person. I think both of them have a deep sense of gratitude. That’s something I try to reinforce with them, too, that in some sense, they were a few coin tosses away from being just like Bertrand. And things turned out differently for them in some sense. I don’t want to put too much pressure on them, but they have to live on his behalf because there’s a lot of things in life that he’s never going to get to experience because of his condition, and they have to live it out for him.

David Hirsch: Yeah. One of the ideas that comes to mind. And, thanks for sharing about, you know, genetically, you’re just a coin toss away. Right. But for the grace of God, that could be me type of situation. There’s this concept of, like, a survivor’s guilt. has that crept in? Has that been an issue at all with your family?

Matt Might: You know, I haven’t seen that. you know, but I. And what’s interesting is, you know, Victoria, I mean, I don’t prod them to talk unless they really want to talk. So Victoria’s more quiet about it, but I can tell that, you know, his life and his passing has. Has deeply impacted her. I can see it through her behavior and how she treats others. I think. Yeah, at times, I think it’s made Victoria a little more fearful of death because she’s seen it firsthand. And Winston, even though he was younger, I think he was, you know, five or six when it all happened, he still remembers, having Bertrand, his life. And he’s. I found some writing he did recently, actually, where he talked about what it was like to suddenly not have Bertrand.

David Hirsch: Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

I’m thinking about supporting organizations during Bertrand’s short life

So I’m thinking about supporting organizations, and I’m wondering, what supporting organizations have or did your family rely on during Bertrand’s, short life?

Matt Might: So I got connected to Nord, fairly early on, and they were pretty extraordinary, actually, I think in the support they provided, both in terms of information, but also in terms of resources. I was really stunned by the support they were able to provide. Yeah. And over the course of Bertrand’s life, and even now, there’s a lot of organizations that have played a role one way or another. Like NCATS at the nih helped launch, literally, drug discovery programs for Bertrand’s condition. I mean, that’s pretty extraordinary when you think about that. One thing you can say about the rare disease community is that there’s a lot of really outstanding organizations that really do stand up for the interests of rare disease patients and rare disease parents.

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You wrote a blog post about hunting down your son’s killer

Now back to the conversation.

David Hirsch: I’d like to, shift gears and, talk about some of the, key elements to what I would call the Myte family story. And there was this, what I think of as epic blog post entitled Hunting down my son’s killer. There was an image, you shared this with me, of Liam Neeson pointing a gun at the

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David Hirsch: viewer, if you will. And, I think this was the impetus for the pivot that you made into precision medicine. What was it that motivated you to write this? And, what was the impact that it had?

Matt Might: Yeah, so this. This blog post really was the genesis of the pivot, and it was. It was written m. Out of necessity. So after getting this answer from Duke that they think he. They think this is what it is, but they’re not really sure. They said clearly, well, to know for sure, we need to find matching patients. You know, there have to be more patients to compare them against. And if we see the same kind of genetic defect and we see the same kind of symptoms, and they were pretty sure that this is what it is, but you got to find matching cases. And I’m not sure if they understood what they were telling me to do, but I think it was an offhand remark for them. And I thought, well, if I need to find matching patients, I’m going to go find matching patients. and that’s where this blog post came from. It was really designed to do two things. It had to rank very highly in Google search results for phrases like child doesn’t cry tears or the other kind of unusual aspects of his conditions. Even down to some of the weird lab values that show up abnormally, were very deliberately embedded throughout this post. And then I also wanted it to go viral so that others would see it and, maybe land in front of the right folks to somebody say, hey, I know somebody that looks like this. And sure it did. That’s the crazy part. It did go viral, and it did start to rank highly in Google search results. And so I think by the end of the first year, there was eight total patients we were in touch with, all genetically confirmed.

David Hirsch: That’s wild. Well, for me, reading through that, it was my mutation. 101 lesson, if I can call it that. When a mutation occurs, there are four possibilities for the mutant 1. Nothing happens. Insufficiency, act of harm, and then evolution. I’m like, wow. I mean, I have not seen it spelled out so clearly and so simply in so few words.

Matt Might: Well, that was my computer science brain struggling to grapple with it at the time. And that’s how it reflected out.

David Hirsch: It was really well done.

New Yorker article about Bertrand’s condition went viral in 2014

So let’s Talk about this, New Yorker article that was written by Seth Newkin back in July of 2014. that wasn’t one of these. Oh, he read a little bit about you guys and wrote up a story. What’s the backstory and the impact that that New York article has had?

Matt Might: I think the day that that blog post went viral, I mean, I got an avalanche of email. I mean, just absolute avalanche. And because I thought Bertrand’s life might depend on it, I went through every single one over time and tried to respond and read and understand. And I got that one from Seth Mnookin, and he’s, at the time, he was a new professor at MIT and in journalism and in science writing. And he’s like, I have then this unusually broad latitude to kind of pick what I want to work on right now. And I don’t know where this is going to go. I don’t know where it might end up or how long it might take. He’s like. But he’s like, I just feel like there’s a story here and I just, can I follow your family? And so we said, yes. and he actually came out to visit us. we ended up meeting up several times over several years and lots of phone calls and video chats. And, I mean, he really did ride along with the family for about two years and at some point says, you know what, you know, because, I mean, when he reached out, Bertrand was the only patient. I mean, it was. And he watched this community start to form. He watched research protocols at the NIH start to boot up around this condition. He watched this first scientific meeting start to happen. So he really just was embedded from the very beginning, to the birth of this sort of new disease and disease community, I think about a year and a half. And he said, okay, I think, I think this should, this should go to the New Yorker. And so I think he pitched it to them and got a license to write up a very long story. And that’s what he did.

David Hirsch: Yeah, well, it was amazing.

Bertrand: I’m thinking about advice for parents with rare disease diagnosis

and one of the things that I was also moved by was your TedX, talk that took, place in 2019. It’s been viewed, more than 53,000 times. I thought it was brilliant. It was funny, super informative.

Matt Might: About a decade ago, I became a newly minted father. And at about the same time, I also became a newly minted professor in California computer science. And I remember as a newly minted father professor, holding my son in my arms and telling him, bertrand, I am going to Be the most loving and accepting and understanding father in the world. Because honestly, I mean, if I’m being truthful, I’ll support you in whatever you do. And I don’t think I even really care in which end field of engineering you get your Ph.D. as long as you’re happy.

David Hirsch: so I’m thinking about advice now and I’m wondering what type of advice you can offer parents, maybe m specifically dads, who are close to the beginning of their journey, with a

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David Hirsch: relatively new rare disease diagnosis.

Matt Might: Yeah, I would say in some ways it’s similar to the advice I was giving earlier, which is really focusing on the next step. I think I have better names for some of it now. I wouldn’t have used these words early on in my journey, but now I can use words like mindfulness, the importance of mindfulness, and a mindfulness practice, so that you can stay centered and present with your child. Because if the worst should happen someday, you’re not going to get that time back. And so the higher the quality of your attention and the moment you have your child, the better your memories are going to be, the better your sense of, self is going to be someday later on.

David Hirsch: Yeah. Point well made. Thank you.

Matt is part of the Special Fathers Network mentoring program for fathers

So why is it that you’ve agreed to be a mentor father as part of the Special Fathers Network?

Matt Might: Well, I think, it’s important to sort of pay it back. I mean, I’ve had a lot of figures swoop into my life and provide me insight and guidance that certainly has pushed my life in directions for the better. And, to the extent that what I’ve been through, with Bertrand could in some way help others, I think it’s almost an obligation to, to share my experience and hopefully deliver some strength and hope to others that might find themselves in a similar situation.

David Hirsch: Yeah. Well, we’re thrilled to have you. Thank you for being part of the network. Let’s give a special shout out to Swapna Sasradan, who is the founder of the Cure Pog Z Disorder foundation and who was featured in episode number 403 of the Special Fathers Network dad for dad podcast for helping connect us. Yes, very grateful somebody wants to contact you. What’s the best way to do so?

Matt Might: best place to go would be my website, matt.mike.net you will find my contact information on there. And if, folks reach out, please, if I can’t agree to a one on one talk right away, I will get you in touch with an analyst here at the institute who can help you take next steps and once we have enough to talk about, we’ll be able to talk then.

David Hirsch: I’ll be sure to include that in the show notes. It’ll make it as easy as possible for somebody to follow up. Matt, thank you for your time and many insights. As a reminder, Matt, it’s just one of the dads who’s part of the Special Fathers Network, a mentoring program for fathers raising a child with special needs. If you’d like to be a mentor father or are seeking advice from a mentor father with a similar situation to your own, Please go to 21st centurydads.org thank you for listening to the latest episode of the Special Fathers Network Dad to Dad Podcast. I hope you enjoyed the conversation as much as I did. As you probably know, the 21st Century Dads foundation is a 501 not for profit organization, which means we need your help to keep our content free to all concerned. Would you please consider making a tax deductible contribution? I would really appreciate your support, Matt. Thanks again.

Matt Might: Thank you. Dad to the dad. You’re not on your own. We walk this road together, heart and whole.

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