David Hirsch talks to special father Jim Mueller. Jim and his wife Margot are parents of three children, Jessica, Lili and Luke, who was born as a spastic quaraplegic with cerebral palsy.
Jim tells David of his journey raising a special needs son and how it helped enrich his and his family’s life. Sadly, Luke passed away in December of 2016 but the Mueller family moves forward and Jim shares with us his many insights he learned from being Luke’s father.
Dad To Dad 13 – Special Father Jim Mueller tells of raising a quadriplegic son with Cerebral Palsy.
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David Hirsch: Hi, I’m David Hirsch.
This is the Special Fathers Network podcast stories of fathers helping fathers.
Tom Couch: And I’m Tom Couch. David’s guest today is Jim Mueller. Jim and his wife Margot are parents of three children, Jessica, Lily and Luke, who was born as a spastic quadriplegic with cerebral palsy.
David Hirsch: What was the most important gift you think will provided you or your family for that matter?
Jim Mueller: A lightness and laughter.
Tom Couch: Jim tells David of his journey raising a special needs son and how it helped enrich his life.
Jim Mueller: Mine was he just keep focusing on Luke and the joy of having him in our lives. He is just such a wonderful kid and such a joy to have.
Tom Couch: Sadly, Luke passed away in December of 2016 but the Mueller family moves forward and Jim shares some of his many insights he learned from being Luke’s dad.
Jim Mueller: Through 20 years of placing loop that there is hope and there is joy in having a child with disabilities that others don’t have the privilege of knowing.
Tom Couch: So let’s get to it. Here’s David Hirsch’s conversation with special father Jim Mueller.
David Hirsch: I’m thrilled to be talking today with my friend Jim Mueller, who lives in Delray beach, Florida. Jim, thank you for taking the time to do a podcast interview for the Special Fathers Network.
Jim Mueller: You’re welcome.
David Hirsch: You and your wife, Margo, are parents of three children, Jessica, Lily, and Luke, who was born as a spastic quadriplegic with cerebral palsy.
Let’s start with some background. Where did you grow up and tell me something about your family and growing up.
Jim Mueller: Clearly. That’s fine. First, let me say, and I know you probably get kudos all the time, but, uh, what you are doing and the Special Father’s Network that you’re building is extraordinarily important and to, I think it’s especially for younger dads who, who encounter these challenges early on in their lives, and they’re struggling not only with, how do I become a father, but what do I do with a child who.
Has these impairments and how do I respond? How do I relate? So I think this is really an extraordinarily useful program. So I grew up on a dairy farm in upstate New York, 500 acres, nestled in the Mohawk Valley, um, middle child of, of, uh. Five children. So of course, I was never fully appreciated all that in.
David Hirsch: The middle child syndrome.
I understand that. Yeah.
Jim Mueller: So, uh, yeah. And grew up there, ended up going to Cornell and, um, my dad died when I was 17, July between my senior year and my freshman year. Uh, so we had a very difficult time. We had to sell our farm. Um, cause I was involved with my brother and I had just a small tractor accident, but he broke his leg.
So he was laid up in the hospital. I was going off to college and it was either stay and run the farm or go to college. And my mother told me. That my dad would not allow me not to go to Cornell. That I needed to do that and not try to save the farm. Cause I think she was also very tired herself. So, uh, I was off to Cornell.
David Hirsch: So you went to school at Cornell. What did you major in?
Jim Mueller: You know, that took me a little bit to figure out, um, graduated at the end of the day with, uh, reeducation and communications.
David Hirsch: So, uh, from college, where did you go from there?
Jim Mueller: I actually went to seminary. I went off to fuller theological seminary in Pasadena, California.
And, uh, after a year there came back to, uh, I got an internship at a church in Oneonta, New York. And, uh, while I was at that church, um, I, uh, figured I would want to stay in the Northeast and made a change and went off to Gordon Conwell theological seminary seminary in South Hamilton, mass. And, uh, had some trouble with the conservative values and beliefs.
So I ended up going into the biblical Institute that I could access through Gordon-Conwell and ended up going taking courses at Piskel, the divinity school in Cambridge and Andover Newton school of theology out in Andover. So it was a very rich experience for me, uh, and finished with a master of theological studies.
David Hirsch: Okay. We’re going to come back to your career. So I just want to go back and talk a little bit about your family. Your dad died when you were 17 and sort of a big turning point for the family. It sounded like it was, uh, cause you’re the middle child. You were going off to college, you had two younger siblings and two older siblings for that matter.
Um, when you think about the relationship with your dad. Even though he didn’t move past your age, 17 what are some of the stronger memories you have, or what are some of the takeaways that you have from your dad? Either something he said or something he did that you know is sort of giving you some direction?
Jim Mueller: Well, I actually had a very difficult relationship with my dad and my mother as well. Um, there was, there was just some abuse and some emotional situations. He died of his third heart attack at 44. So, um, he had a good sense of humor and there were the good times, you know, but there were also the times that just really colored my development as I left home and was kind of glad to leave home, frankly.
Um, and my mother also had some real issues. It wasn’t all bad. We had wonderful family experiences, wonderful warm family experiences beside that. Uh, and, uh. Um, my dad was very creative. So what did I take away from my dad? He was a tremendous entrepreneur, inventing things constantly, uh, to help, uh, modernize and innovate.
Uh. A dairy farming.
David Hirsch: So let’s go back to your, uh, career. Uh, it sounded like you were tracking pretty strongly to go into the seminary with the education that you got and what, what type of career did you pursue once you were done formally with your education?
Jim Mueller: And what was most interesting about my seminary education is as I grew intellectually, I realized that Christian theology was too constrained and too isolationist.
Uh, they were. Creates that one needed to sign an order to continue in seminary, which I felt were exclusive of, of, of, of people and other points of view and belief. I graduated Magna cum laude, but I remember my faculty, professors arguing with me about how my choices and my positions on theological issues.
I had one faculty member telling me, I don’t want to give you. This grade, but I’m compelled by the amount of work you did that I must, but you have to be careful.
David Hirsch: That’s wild.
Jim Mueller: Yeah, it was. It was good. I, you know, maybe that’s my dad’s independent streak, not following convention. I was much happier. I learned a lot in seminary in ways that, again, what one shouldn’t do more than what one should do, because then I got into the Eastern religions and followed.
Some of those paths for years, but my career wasn’t related to that. I, when I left seminary, I was just kind of questioning, well, this didn’t work out. What am I supposed to do? And I went back to Cornell and I had applied for a position in the cooperative extension program in the youth development division, and it was working as a staff associate in.
Program development for youth. So there was the four H program. Some people are familiar with that. So I did that for three years, and one guy who really, uh, helped me, uh, I considered him a Metro at the time. He helped me a lot in and gave me opportunities and listened to me as I was struggling with things.
But he helped me move to the next position, which was at the university level, which was quite a jump. Up through in my premier credit opportunity. You know, this is associate director of university alumni class affairs, and uh, I ran Cornell’s reunions of Cornell’s homecomings. It was really challenging and fun and energizing.
And from there, my mentor then was director of universities, regional offices, which were around the country and internationally based. And so he hired me as the director of the Midwest office, which was a tremendous opportunity. And it’s basically Cornell’s presence with alumni, uh, donors, corporations, uh, public relations, some degree of, of student recruitment throughout the Midwest from Kansas city to, to Minneapolis, including Milwaukee.
Obviously I was, I was in Chicago. So that was a tremendous experience, a learning experience. So after 10 years with, uh, Cornell, I went off to Northwestern university to be a director of development and director of a $30 million fundraising campaign at Northwestern university. And, uh, from there I was off to a healthcare system.
And I went to, uh, advocate healthcare, but in their bioethics center, they’re brand new bioethics center. And I did that for four, eight years. It was a tremendous experience, uh, some international experience helping people understand how to make decisions in tough times. So we worked at, around issues at the beginning of life and the end of life.
Do you end the life or do you sustain it? Where has meaning and all of this, same with abortion or birth of a child, the mother doesn’t want. And from there I went to be vice president at enterprise advancement at Lake forest graduate school of management. And from there I did a short stint as executive director for Goodwill industries in metropolitan Chicago and Northern Illinois.
Learned a lot about an underclass that we often don’t see. I went to Greensburg clear after that as chief operating officer in it. In a grins about clear, I met Jim Pallia, uh, as I was chief operating officer of a, of this firm, which was consulting around the globe hand. From there, I came to Florida and started my own consulting practice, which I started in 2005.
So I’ve had my consulting practice, uh, which works in the area of governance, uh, organizational development, strategic planning, and also to some extent, uh, fundraising. And so that’s where I am today.
David Hirsch: Outstanding. Well, thank you for recapping your career. I know we talked about some of that, but not all of it.
So it’s a very enlightening and. What I’d like to do is shift gears. Um, let’s talk about your connection to the special needs community first on a personal level, and then if you will, beyond. So, uh, Luke was born, was it 25 years ago?
Jim Mueller: Um, wow. 1995. So 20, 22, 22 years ago, 23 this July, he was born on our wedding anniversary.
David Hirsch: Wow. And he would be considered your middle child. Um, Jessica is, um, about a decade older, and then Lily, um, is 16 now. So what was your first reaction upon learning about Luke’s diagnosis?
Jim Mueller: Um, well, Luke’s godfather was my best friend and it’s a little interesting. Well, I should talk a little bit about that experience.
Um, shortly before Luke’s birth, I started to read a lot about, uh, the experiences of children out of body experiences. Now I read it by a physician and I can’t recall his name, right? Mmm. Because he had this experience with a child who told them all these things that had happened while he traveled outside his body.
So he did a very rigorous empirical study about people and he most started with nurses cause nurses saw this all the time. Physicians were kind of blind to it, he said, but he started finding all these people and they needed to be 10 years from their time of birth. And, uh, for the, from the time of their autobody experience, excuse me, had to be at least a 10 year period of time.
So they had objectivity and so we interviewed them on how different, uh, how, what were the, what were the common experiences of these children? And out of that, uh, I started to get a new perspective because I was struggling with. With, uh, my beliefs about spirituality because I kind of allowed religion to fall to the wayside because I had rather, uh, John dis opinion of it over the years of going through seminary and seeing the lack of openness.
And then it had to be these closed belief systems that were basically reflective of current cultural norms. So I had trouble with that. Um, but that, that book and knowing that it was this empirical study just said, wow, there is something more there. And that’s what attracted me into some of the other traditions and of looking at Buddhism.
But I was kind of enthralled with Hinduism. Uh, and its richness and depth and its age. So I started following that. And, and from that I started looking into some yogis and started reading about their lives and their, their perspectives and started to see that there were all these validated, mystical experiences that people were having that were very spiritual, that were real, that they weren’t just in their imaginations.
And at that time it was funny, my wife was working for, she was artistic company manager for a performing company, but the founder and director of the company, new best friend, was a clairvoyant healer. And so I met him. And Richard is the clairvoyant healer. He and I, uh, he’s actually clairaudient. He and I struck up a wonderful friendship.
Uh, and he had a session with me and told me these things that were so accurate about my life and told me about how things were unfolding. And I was so taken by that, that there was this other awareness of what life can be, that it’s not just in the physical realm. So he and I became good friends. And when Luke was born, I asked him to be as godfather.
Having Luke Luke was fascinating. Margo started having contractions. She, she was, this was at I think, 30 weeks, and she started having these contractions. She thought they were Braxton Hicks. I said, you better have them checked out, and they kept getting stronger. So we ran, went to the hospital. Uh, I was working for the health care system at that time, so I called the president of the medical association.
I said, cause we were, we had become good friends and he said, go to the emergency room because we couldn’t reach her obstetrician. So on the way to the hospital, her obstetrician calls said, no, go right to the delivery room. So we went there and they discovered that Luke had this cord. Around his neck. And so they did an emergency Csection and brought me in.
So I was right there. Within the next few minutes, the parent ontologist had delivered Luke placenta intact with this beautiful white hair. Just as she did that, the Margus obstetrician rushed into the room. And the funny story about that is, is they reached her on the train. As she was on her way to the hospital.
And, uh, she, she jumped out off the train near her office and, uh, she flagged down a policeman who brought her to the hospital with full lights flashing. Oh my gosh. And so she got there just as Luke was, was delivered, but he was wonderfully healthy at birth. He Stripe started crying right away and he peed on one of the nurses.
So we were all very happy. About nine days later, we had been spending time with Luke day and night, but on Thursday night, we decided we just needed to get some sleep. So we called in early in the morning before we went over to the hospital and we were told that there was a problem, uh, and we learned that he had blood in his stool and his stomach was seriously distended.
And when we arrived at it was very, it made us feel extraordinarily distraught to see that he was unconscious and pale. Um. And, but we talked about what we would do and we would listen to Luke signals to us. Uh, so as the day progressed and into the night, he continued to deteriorate. The, and the x-ray showed that, that his bowel continued to distend in certain places, but it was healing.
And others. And what was interesting is I was using the healing energy that I had been inducted into with Luke. And so it was touch and go, uh, that was fascinating. They didn’t understand why part was healing and while other parts were were deteriorating, but as heart and lungs remained strong and his brain was free of problems.
So the surgeon was hesitant to operate, but by the following day, he decided he had to. And during that I removed three inches of Luke’s intestine and his ascending colon. So we stayed with him through the night only to discover that his kidneys had failed. Uh, we met with a nephrologist the next morning and he counselor lists that Luke had a little chance of surviving long enough for his kidneys to function again, uh, cause the failure of his kidneys was causing stress on his body, which was diverting energy away from his heart and lungs and brain.
Uh, so within the next few hours, and that Sunday night, we had him baptized and we told Luke that he could choose what’s best for him, whether he wanted to stay or go. And we, we stayed by a side and waited. Um, that night we took a few minutes just to go out and get a pizza. And within like 10 minutes of eating our pizza, we got a call from the hospital, from, uh, from, uh, one of the, uh, visiting fellows.
As I said, from India. Who, who asked if we had permission to get a catheter in the Luxo umbilicus, that there was little chance of success because it, alcohol had been applied consistently for 11 days and it was completely dried up. But to his surprise and amazement of all the clinicians, and that’s not an overstatement, everybody was quite surprised.
He was able within five minutes, uh, to get the catheter in and immediately gave him a blood transfusion. So that that was kind of a turning point for Luke. But, uh, we still have the problem with his kidney not functioning. And so one of the residents came in one night and was wondering what to do and put his, put his hand in.
This is true. He put his hand in one water, Luke’s kidneys kicked in. They didn’t think they were going to kick in. So his kidneys kicked in and all of his fluids heat because they weren’t, he had all these fluids were just, his body had become, um, inflated with because he wasn’t passing any of the fluids.
Uh, but it was that moment when the, when the, uh, the young resident put his hand in the water that his kidneys kicked in and he just peed. And that was it. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That was an amazing and tremendous moment. So. Because we were there ready to let him go. Ah, I wish Margot were here because she has such a great mind for details.
Uh, I wish share with you the extraordinary experiences that I would say, Oh yeah, that too. Well, over the next few weeks, Luke just developed and was beginning to thrive and doing fine, and then suddenly after three weeks, they discovered all these cysts in his brain. Due to the infection and the broad spectrum, very harsh antibiotics that, that killed the brain cells.
So it was very interesting at that point that the, uh, we saw a neurologist who said, well, you know, you’re probably best if you just put them in a special home somewhere, uh, and allow them to take care of him because he’s going to be all of these terrible things. He was telling us what was interesting is before I had the conversation.
With the neurologist. I’ve talked to my friend Richard Luke’s godfather, and he, I said, we’re going to have this, this conversation with this, this neurologist. He said, well, don’t listen to them. He said, be polite. Let him say what he believes and move on. And that was such wonderful advice because what this physician was telling us was all these terrible things of what Luke would be well, and those things, um, did not come to pass.
Um. And Luke, uh, just became this wonderful young man. He obviously, over the years, although we were able to get him to walk when he was little, as he grew, he stopped being able to walk. He was assisted walking, how we tried to teach him how to feed himself when he was young, but he just didn’t have the, the motor control to feed himself.
And he did have a deterioration of the optic nerve. Uh, the neurologist study be cortically blind is what he called it. Well, it kind of didn’t follow that pathway. I should also say it was funny, after three months in the hospital loop, decided to get up on his hands and knees and look around. And so during the next week, uh, I was with Luke at sunrise and sunset.
It was a new moon. And the idea was that sunrise and a son, she said, I was with Luke using this healing energy that I then, uh, inducted into. So, uh, that was for 30 days. We did that. And then on a 63rd day in the NIC, you on September 1st 21st, which was three days before his due day, he came home with an Oscar may bag and an alert, a West apnea monitor to make sure that he didn’t, uh, have breathing problems at night.
So after about four weeks at home, we took him to another neurologist, and the first thing he said, exclaimed as this baby sees
And that was the main issue was Luke’s head growth because the neurologist at the hospital, the neurosurgeon had told us that he was going to be blind and he couldn’t, wouldn’t be able to see because his optic nerve was also deteriorated. But somehow Luke was able to see. And even though he had a small head, he was a handsome dude.
A few weeks later, we had the osteomy reversed. And, uh, there were no seizures. His movements were normal. And, uh, he had this special, special smile and, and that laugh that just, just kept it, every, everybody. So, uh, even though he was three pounds in the hospital, within his first four weeks at home, he was already nine pounds.
So that was, that was Luke’s birth.
David Hirsch: That is an amazing story. He is a miracle baby.
Jim Mueller: Yeah.
David Hirsch: I’m dumbfounded. So that was a quite a journey the first two months of Luke’s life because he was so premature. He was so small. There are all these complications. Uh, must’ve been a roller coaster ride, uh, physically and emotionally.
For you and Margo of those first two months, when you look back on it, how was it that you were able to put it in perspective and sort of persevere through it all?
Jim Mueller: Yeah, I’m sure Margo has her perspective, but mine was, you just keep focusing on Luke and the joy of having him in our lives. He’s just such a wonderful kid and such a joy to have.
And at that point, just holding him was wonderful. So, you know, you’d take it a day at a time, and being in his presence, I was happier than enough. So I’m not sure we looked at the problems as much of just being with them in the moment and accepting the challenges that came with that.
David Hirsch: So when you look back, uh, not over that period of time, the first a couple of three months, but the time thereafter.
Um, talk about some of the more important decisions that you and Margot made over the course of the next couple of years.
Jim Mueller: I think one of the most important things we did the snap, Margo stopped working. He voted herself fully to Luke. While I continued to work. So she was really his main caregiver and she became an expert on everything.
All of his conditions. She was an expert. She knew the terminology. She knew the law. She knew what we could get for him. She was his extraordinary advocate. And at one point I joked with her that she should form a new club called bam bam, which is bitch advocate mothers. It might sound a little harsh, but it was the idea that no matter what anyone says, you’re, you’re an advocate for your son, and if you’re well-informed, you can be that person.
I mean, she was far more informed than I and was constantly filling me in and helping me along. But the challenges were making sure he had the right doctors. I mean, we went through several doctors until we found ones that were just a perfect fit. But by Margot’s example, I should say, I just supported her.
And until you knew when you had the right physician who connected with Luke, who cared about us as a family, and, uh, was willing to work with us and talk with us and be more than a technician of medicine, but truly to be a physician, that helped a great deal. The challenge is around his feeding. Since early on it was clear that even though we started with him learning to feed himself soon, he reached his limit of neuro motor development.
And as he grew, he couldn’t feed himself. He also, as he grew, he stopped walking, assisted and was then had to be in a wheelchair. Uh, you know, those things are very hard because we’d hoped he would be able to navigate by himself. So getting him the technological support and getting him the, the educational support.
We disappointed several principles by understanding the, the law in what we were allowed to ask for and insisting upon it, helping them understand that inclusion was more important than rote learning. So Marvin was just an extraordinary advocate. Again, as a dad, I was far behind her, but learned a lot from her and was with her every step of the way.
David Hirsch: So you didn’t always live in Florida?
Jim Mueller: Right.
David Hirsch: Luke was born in the Chicago area, is that correct?
Jim Mueller: He was born at that time, I was a Lutheran general hospital
David Hirsch: In park Ridge.
Why is it that you chose Delray beach, Florida?
Jim Mueller: Oh, that was for Luke. Mmm. He was going through a time. He just couldn’t take the cold as much.
So I just poked around looking for an opportunity for it to move us here so that he could thrive.
David Hirsch: So how old would Luke have been at the time that you moved to Delray beach, Florida?
Jim Mueller: Let me see. We moved here in 2005 so that was what, almost 15 years ago. 95 2000 was 10 years old.
David Hirsch: Okay. And, uh, had he been going to school then?
Was he included in classrooms?
Jim Mueller: Yeah, up North he was very much, and Margo did all the research down here to find the right school. And it’s very hard because schools down here are very different. They aren’t in where we lived in Chicago land. Each town had its school system. Pretty much they were small school systems and they’re more personal here.
All of Palm beach is one school system, so it’s becomes very impersonal, very rope. So you just end up looking at the school system. You look at the principal. What’s the culture that the is developing at the high school in the last year? It’s just high school, but in the schools, what is the culture that’s developing.
And we move loop through a one two. He was second school. He worked out really well because he also had an aide who was a perfect match. Um, so one, two, three schools. Yeah, in just elementary schools. We went through three schools with loop finding the right match, and that worked out pretty well. And then when he moved on to high school, the high school was extraordinary too.
It’s just Boca high as an extraordinary school, and it’s because of the principal and the culture he sets. But having the right principal school culture and not stopping until you find it. Having the right education coordinator, you might call that having the right aid for Luke, all of those things, uh, we always made sure the match was right and didn’t settle.
And in addition to that, knowing Luke’s rights and being well informed about them and insisting upon them, uh, not everybody cares about your child as much as you do. And that’s why we came up with the idea of bam, because sometimes you just have to make sure you’re heard on your child’s behalf since they don’t have power.
David Hirsch: Very powerful, Margo, just sounds like an exceptional. A mom. I know that they call them tiger moms, but not in this context that we’re talking about, but
Jim Mueller: she’s the nicest person in the world. But she’s firm.
David Hirsch: Yeah, well, it’s like anything else. If you educate yourself and you’re knowledgeable, you know, you have the ability to communicate accurately and you’re not going to get pushed around or you know, pushed off to the side and you can fight for what you’re entitled to or what your child’s entitled to.
Jim Mueller: Exactly.
David Hirsch: So did Luke graduated from high school?
Jim Mueller: He did. He did graduate from high school and he slowly, he just couldn’t be at school and so they graduated him, gave him a diploma. Okay.
David Hirsch: Well that’s quite an achievement.
Jim Mueller: Yeah. I’m not sure how much Luke cared about that.
David Hirsch: Well, uh, how was he able to communicate with you? You said he was nonverbal, right?
Jim Mueller: Yeah. Well, he tried to, to form sounds. He tried to form words and so we could somewhat understand him. We also got him a communication device so that we would, well, Margo, again, initially it was one of those big, large dynabox is that cost eight grand, and she would program it with certain phrases and she would set it up so he could hit a switch.
So she would ask him a question and if it was, that’s the one I want. For instance, he would hit a switch and say, yes, that’s the one I want. So he was able to answer yes, no questions. And after the iPad came out, a lot of, uh, app developers, uh, for disabled individuals started producing applications, obviously apps that they could use to communicate.
So she got to know several app developers and there were, for the iPad went from being $8,000 to program it to $800 in, you know. The apps were eight, $10, maybe 20, but the costs dropped a hundred fold. Once the apps came out and the Apple devices came out because you could hook a switch to the iPad and program it to be his communication device.
David Hirsch: Are there any, um, communications when you look back, uh, that you know, you cherish more than any others?
Jim Mueller: I think there’s a couple of them. In terms of us, one of our favorite activities was sitting together watching action movies. And so then we drove to movie theaters Sunday mornings for bass because there weren’t many people, occasionally, even this was difficult for Luke because he had sets sensory integration issues that cost them become disoriented when the noise was too loud.
There were times we didn’t make it to the movies or we left early. Uh, and, and to compensate, Luke and I began to purchase, well, we purchased a large flat screen TV and built up our action movie library. We had nearly 200. And so oftentimes when we watched them in the afternoon, the weekends, we those off with his head on my chest.
And even though we didn’t finish the Mo, the movies, that was a really sweet, sweet time. Yeah. Luke was also well known at the local building supply store where he made friends with, with many, many of the very kind people who worked there. He was always quick with a high, he always said hi to people. He was very clear that that’s what he was trying to communicate.
And it met, and then a lot to them. Uh, and Margaret would find this huge humorous because I would actually have to, can have conversations with people outside of work, which she didn’t think I was capable of.
Um, similarly, Luke had friends at target in any love he liked. He enjoyed, as Lily calls it, the target experience.
And it was interesting that. Luke and his mother. This became a kind of a social experience and one of the memories from there as Luke’s and patients, when a conversation with people went on too long, he’d start with a soft, Hey. Reminder that it’s going on too long and it went beyond that. He got loud. He wouldn’t, wouldn’t be quiet until Margot stopped the conversation. And
David Hirsch: I guess that would be a sign to Margo to be a little bit more quick to the point and
Jim Mueller: not, yeah, but he also loved his music. I should. It just mentioned that, and the experience he had with his sister is perfect. Uh, if Luke was in the car, he was in control of what we listened to, and he’d get very serious look on his face and any selection that didn’t meet his approval, he, he’d let us know.
That’s not the one he wanted. Through some vocalization, it was very clear. And one of our favorites was. There were so many challenges as you alluded to, and the pain associated with Luke’s physical issues, he would break down crying, you know, at times, and we couldn’t know what was wrong. And it was very hard to feel helpless in the face of all this.
And we’d say, you know, Luke, what is it? And that became a common phrase of concern. And we look into his eyes and try to figure out why it was up. Upset and, uh, without hesitation, you know, we would start doing what we do. It’s just like programmed into us, like check his body for injuries. We repositioned him, we lift him out of his chair over our shoulders to see if he had gas or just hold them in our arms and walk until he was quieted, uh, even as he grew older.
Um, and. There were frustration times too, when he demanded that we stopped doing whatever we were doing. Just no matter how important or urgent it was for us to take care of his needs. And sometimes we lost patients. You know, we, we raised our voices at times with Luke out of frustration, and one of those favorite memories actually related to that is one time out of total frustration, one of us said, Jesus Christ, Luke, what is it.
And apparently that was one of the funniest things he ever heard. And he burst out laughing.
Things got a little tense. We would just say that to Luke and he would laugh and we’d all fall asleep. So,
David Hirsch: Yeah. Did he have any favorite music? Any favorite artists?
Any favorite songs?
Jim Mueller: Yes he loved Avril Levigne and The Almond Brothers.
So he had a wide variety and taste over time. And Margo could tell you more of what his repertoire was because we actually had Luke’s own tracks. He had a Luke chill track, which we knew would calm him down. We had a Luke fun track, which would play in the car. So yeah, he pretty much determined what we would listen to.
The music was very important to him.
David Hirsch: Yeah. Well, it’s great that you found that, um, because it added some peace of mind, um, probably to the whole family. You know, you were traveling, like you were saying, you’re all in the car together.
Jim Mueller: Yeah. Yeah.
David Hirsch: Well, sadly, Luke lost his battle. Um, that was, was it December 2016?
Jim Mueller: Yeah, it was a year ago and a few months. Seems like it was yesterday.
David Hirsch: What were the circumstances? Was it something health related or otherwise?
Jim Mueller: His body just deteriorated. It started deteriorating. He was in hospice for a year and a half, um, from July, 2015 to December, 2016. And, uh. You know, his, his systems and organs started to shut down and he just melted away from our lives.
And, uh, over the course of the year and a half,
David Hirsch: that must’ve been very difficult for both you, Margo, and the rest of the family for that matter.
Jim Mueller: Yes. Yeah. I would say it’s the most extraordinarily difficult thing I’ve ever faced.
Well, I can’t even imagine. So I’m thinking about, uh, Luke sisters, um. Jessica, who is older, who was a part of Luke’s life, but more so for Lilly.
Your younger daughter who’s 16 who only knew Luke, right. Because she was, you know, quite a few years younger, eight years younger.
David Hirsch: So what type of impact do you think Luke situations had on the Lily?
Jim Mueller: Pretty extraordinary. She never finished reading him the book she was reading when he died. And that’s very hard for her.
I think it can be captured. Uh, she had a communication assignment and 13, she wrote this poem called my brother, and I think this kind of captures it, the constant pain equivalent to the annoyance of a seatbelt warning, the pinning of wheel of fortune and jeopardy. And I still love you. You’re tiny nose, your tousled hair, and I still love you.
You’re scar covered skin from countless surgeries and operations and I still love you. Wow, I’m not done. I just, I had to take a break. You’re your uncontrollable laughter whenever you hear clapping and I still love you hear mournful cries in the dark, the cries due to your hatred of being alone and I still love you.
You’re different brain. The one plagued with cerebral palsy that I had every wonder, wow.
I thought this would be easier.
David Hirsch: Yeah. Well, it’s so powerful at age 13 it’s just shows a level of maturity that very few people at such a young age would possess.
Jim Mueller: The last sentence is it, but I, and everyone who meets you still love you, so,
David Hirsch: wow, that’s amazing. Thank you so much for sharing. So what is a Lily doing now?
She’s in high school?
Jim Mueller: She’s actually in college and high school at the same time. Um, obviously by her poem, these brilliant kid. So she’s in 10th grade high school. That’s within Florida Atlantic university. So she’s taking freshman year courses. She’s already. Completed 22 credits, college credits, and she wants to graduate with her high school and college diploma the same year.
David Hirsch: Oh, she sounds like a Doogie Howser type of person. You know, somebody who’s super young, who’s got this gift, intellectual gift, and you know, she just doesn’t want to like go at a slow pace. You know what to her is a slow pace. What to others might be a normal pace through high school. And, uh, what do you attribute that to?
Jim Mueller: Her genes, you know, we also encouraged her. Just to be off so that she is nothing else. And she changed schools a couple of times. We just empowered her to make decisions. Just she’s just so damn smart and. We didn’t want to hold her back and support her along the way.
And the other thing that we found in Luke’s passing is there’s a grieving group in our heart feeling less. We don’t want to stay in the grief. We feel it deeply. We process it, we share it, and we want to look toward. The light, you know, rather than the loss. That sort of a thing for us.
David Hirsch: Yeah. Well, it’s a different process for everybody.
Jim Mueller: That’s right. Absolutely. I agree.
David Hirsch: You don’t want to pass judgment on the process that you know is right or it feels right for someone. Right. And it’s great that you have identified what works in your situation and provide you with a peace of mind. And, uh. The ability to move forward, right? Yeah. And it’s a parent’s worst nightmare to lose a child.
And after decades of, you know, being there, you have this void and you know what fills that void? I don’t know.
Jim Mueller: And I didn’t mean to imply that the grieving group was bad. It may have sounded that way. Not at all, because I agree. Everybody has to, everybody finds their own way, as you suggested. And. Some people.
This is extraordinarily helpful.
David Hirsch: Yep. So, um, what was the most important gift or gifts you think Luke provided you or your family for that matter?
Jim Mueller: A lightness and laughter. Probably the best way to say he was all of that. And um, to see him go through what he was going through and to be present every moment.
And to break us free from, from our own, uh, issues to see, to see the light. I guess it sounds, sounds a little pot Pollyanna, ish, but, uh, that’s how I would describe it. If I can paraphrase what you’re saying, just to make sure I understand those challenges that he faced. Um, the courage that he had. Help put some of the day to day things that we might get caught up with in perspective.
Yes. You should have answered the question.
David Hirsch: Oh, no, no. I’m just paraphrasing what I thought I heard you say
Jim Mueller: when I was trying to say in a fumbling way.
David Hirsch: I, no, no. Um, but, uh, I think when you’re overwhelmed, and it sounds like maybe you weren’t overwhelmed every day, but there must’ve been some overwhelming experiences.
You know, on a day to day basis, it’s hard to get distracted by the things that, you know, I think distract us on a daily basis. You know, whether it’s the weather or, uh. A small disagreement with a family member or a work colleague or you know, something that’s just seems to be going against you.
Jim Mueller: Absolutely.
David Hirsch: It’s like, well, that’s not really what’s important, right? You’re dealing with life threatening life and death type of situations, and it’s the real deal. And I don’t know that the average person, the typical situation. It was like that. And I think, you know, you look back on it, maybe you don’t realize it at the time, but it’s a gift to be able to be focused and be present and be in the moment with greater clarity than you might have otherwise.
Jim Mueller: Yes. And, and there were moments of great frustration. There are many, many moments because of the stress of trying to figure out what Luke needed, the stress of his extraordinary needs for care, whether it was in the middle of the night. Or during the day, the limitations on what we could do as a family because of Luke’s extraordinary limitations, you know?
But we all adapted and I think it was the strength of our family unit. That was our, that was our team. And, uh, that worked. That was our thing.
David Hirsch: So thinking beyond your own family, one of the programs that we’ve been talking about as the embrace program at Florida international university, tell me about this program for adults with developmental disabilities.
Jim Mueller: Yeah. Um, they hired my firm to work with them on strategic planning. And what. FIU embrace is it is a program of Florida international university that is seeks to change the way, um, neurodiverse or people with impairments, however you want to describe those individuals, are fully integrated in society.
Not only through the range of services they received, but culturally there’s a change in the ethos of culture so that people are with, with impairments or who are neuro diverse, are not seen as different. They’ve created the program too on the university side. Provide educational access for neurodiverse individuals, people with impairments, you might say.
So they have access to the university by making the appropriate accommodations and providing safety and security so that they can. And access viable education.
David Hirsch: Well, you introduced me to Nicole Atong, who’s the director of the embrace program at Florida international university, and I don’t remember the specifics, but I remember her telling me that this is not a project that might come and go, but this is something that’s been budgeted in a, on an ongoing basis.
Right. What was that specifically?
Jim Mueller: The university supports this program and understands that it’s integral to our future. It’s not a project. It’s a, it’s a university funded initiative and a commitment from the university to see it through to success, which is pretty extraordinary.
David Hirsch: Well, it feels like. I’ll just speak from my own personal experience that, uh, I’m still on the steep part of the learning curve and have a better understanding and appreciation on a day to day, week to week, month to month basis for the challenges that exist in society. And I think that when I think about what we’re doing with the 21st century dad’s foundation with the special fathers network in particular, is trying to bridge that gap.
A bit of understanding, um, and the overall community so that we have a heightened level of awareness and enlightenment about, um, the different challenges that people face and accept that, that we’re all different. Um, that’s sort of what defines us is our differences and be more accepting about those. So I applaud the work that embrace is doing at Florida international university, and I’m hoping that it’s a tremendous success and it will be a beacon of light for other entities, educational, and other entities here in the U S and beyond.
So I’m thinking about advice now that you might be able to provide. What are the. Most important takeaways that come to mind when you think about raising a child with differences and for that matter, for dads who have a child with a physical or intellectual disability.
Jim Mueller: Completely fall in love with your child without boundaries, without barriers.
Don’t be afraid because the gifts you will get from that relationship are sweeter than anything. I say that knowing that with some children, that’s harder. I watch a friend who has a child with autism who acts out a lot. I don’t know how she manages because. He, he’s aggressive and it’s just in his, in his DNA, I guess.
But still you could see that she loves him. And then the other thing is, uh, is accept the fact that you’re not perfect, that you’re going to make mistakes and fail. But if you’re open to saying, oops, I can fix that. The failure or the mistake is immediately erased. I mean, Luke was so forgiving, and I imagine most children have disabilities or are very forgiving once you realize, I should do that differently.
Never worry about what other people think because they probably don’t understand your child. I mean, sometimes we would be out in public and people would stare and it would make Lily sad. But just realizing that you have a special purpose that others don’t understand and that this child has been given to you as a special gift for your own growth and development.
I mean, there’s, there’s nothing sweeter than my relationship with Luke. Um. That’s why it’s the deepest loss I’ve ever experienced. My mother died six days before my son. Um, and I understood her loss. It’s very hard to understand Luke’s. And, uh, even though I also knew it was coming, but does that get at your, your question?
David Hirsch: It more than answers the question. Thank you. Um, I remember one of the very first conversations we had after Jim Polia introduced us, and. I think I said to you, Oh, you went up and above the call of duty and you were very quick to say, no, that’s not the case at all.
Jim Mueller: Yeah, I never saw it as that. You’re right.
I never saw it as going above and beyond the call of duty. Either love your child or you don’t. Well, I think one thing that I said,
David Hirsch: that’s what I remember you saying, and that was one of the most profound things I’ve heard in a long, long, long time. And it took a while to sink in, but it really was like a light bulb going on.
It’s yes or no. It’s not like, Oh, I love my child a little bit, or sometimes, but you just need to embrace that, like you were saying a moment ago, make that your focal point and everything else is sort of secondary. That was a very profound statement, um, and an amazing insight. So thank you. So, um. A little bit different question, but some more, uh, what advice can you share with a dad or parents for that matter about helping your child?
Jim Mueller: Yeah, I think unless we’re blocked, we always reach for that next thing that captures our imagination. And so just don’t block them or say no or put limitations, you know, even if sometimes it’s embarrassing. Don’t be embarrassed by your child, or if you feel that they’re making a scene, if they, especially in public, if it’s, if it’s something that’s a true expression, don’t limit them.
Don’t, uh, discipline the child for doing something that, that is just bursting out of their heart. Let them be all that they are. And. And be embarrassed if you need to be a little bit, if your child starts singing in public the wrong words, off tune, for instance right now, tell them to shush unless other people are getting a little annoyed, but maybe they need to loosen up.
I think that’s one thing.
David Hirsch: Okay, so an easy question, I think an easy question. Uh, why did you agree to be a mentor father, as part of the special fathers
Jim Mueller: network? Well. You know, having been a dad for 21 years, um, and I can understand, I mean, I feel I was pretty well informed. Uh, I worked in a healthcare system in a bioethics center for, um, eight years.
Um, uh, and so I, you know, I, I knew a lot. So there are a lot of people who didn’t have access to those, the knowledge that I’ve had access to or. And I’m learned through 20 years of placing Luke, so I want to be available, I think to anyone, but particularly younger fathers who suddenly find themselves in this position just to be supportive and help them understand that there is hope and there is joy and having a child with disabilities that others don’t have the privilege of knowing.
David Hirsch: Jim, thank you for taking the time. And for your many insights. As a reminder, Jim is just one of the dads who is a created to be a mentor father, as part of the special fathers network, a mentoring program for fathers, raising a child with special needs. If you’d like to be a mentor father, or are seeking advice from a mentor father with a similar situation to your own, please go to. 21stcenturydads.org.
Jim, thank you so much for your time. Many insights.
Jim Mueller: Sure enough, my pleasure.
Tom Couch: The Special Father’s Network is a dad to dad mentoring program for fathers raising children with special needs through our personalized matching process. New fathers with special needs children. Connect with mentor fathers in a similar situation. It’s a great way for fathers to support fathers.
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David Hirsch: And thank you for listening to this Special Fathers Network podcast. Stories of fathers helping fathers.
Jim Mueller: The Special Fathers Network podcast was produced for 21st Century Dads by Couch, Audio, and again, to find out more about the Special Fathers Network, go to 21stcenturydads.org 21stcenturydads.org.